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wkwkwkwk1 |
20. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 2:55 AM EDT
"Depends on what you consider "handgun distance". Skill, barrel length, velocity and weight of the round have to be accounted for. With the laser I owned, I set it for about 10-15 yards after the bullet started to drop from my .45. Everything else was pretty much a guaranteed hit. This caused the point of aim for my laser tstrapless below the rounds closer up, but was easy to accomedate for. At that range, light dispersal could be a problem. "wait. 10-15 yards = 3-4 meters - that from a 45! isn't it the bullet of the taurus raging and deagles?? aren't they supposed to be powerful?!? Sorry for the ignorance, but I never handled a gun before... :'-( yep, I meant max 5 meters, not more. Thanks! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
21. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 4:53 AM EDT
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"wait. 10-15 yards = 3-4 meters - that from a 45! isn't it the bullet of the taurus raging and deagles?? aren't they supposed to be powerful?!? Sorry for the ignorance, but I never handled a gun before... :'-(No, the Taurus raging pistols chamber a .45 long colt which is a black powder round. The Desert Eagle pistols are best known for chambering the 50 AE (action express) round. He is referring to .45 ACP (automatic colt pistol). And 10 to 15 yards is more like 9 to 13.7 meters. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wkwkwkwk1 |
22. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 6:31 AM EDT
"No, the Taurus raging pistols chamber a .45 long colt which is a black powder round. The Desert Eagle pistols are best known for chambering the 50 AE (action express) round. He is referring to .45 ACP (automatic colt pistol).Thanks. I was thinking about the black powder bullet, and about feet, not yards XD 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ubersoldat |
23. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 8:27 AM EDT
"wait. 10-15 yards = 3-4 meters - that from a 45! isn't it the bullet of the taurus raging and deagles?? aren't they supposed to be powerful?!? Sorry for the ignorance, but I never handled a gun before... :'-(10 -15 yards is actually 9 to 12 meters roughly. a yards is 3 feet and meter is 3 feet 3 inches. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ubersoldat |
24. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 8:33 AM EDT
"No, the Taurus raging pistols chamber a .45 long colt which is a black powder round. The Desert Eagle pistols are best known for chambering the 50 AE (action express) round. He is referring to .45 ACP (automatic colt pistol).the desert eagle is probably best known for its original chambering in .44 magnum. i like the .45 colt round as well. it came to called the long colt eroniously because at one there was a .45 short colt based on the .45 colt chortened for a less powerful loading, so it became called the long colt but it wasnt the officail companydesignation. it is a blast to shoot in black powder. but can be a real bear to clean after a long day at the range. good engagement range is 10 to 20 yards, or 30 to 60 feet., with a pistol. once the enemy gets within 10 yards its time to be on the move to avoid being overrun by hordes of undead cannibals. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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25. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 11:20 AM EDT
"the desert eagle is probably best known for its original chambering in .44 magnum."I looked into this a little more, interestingly enough, the very original chambering was .357 magnum. They made less than 1000 of them and the original models feature traditional rifling in the barrels. The 44 magnum pistols switched over to polygonal rifling. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/desert-eagle-e.html 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
26. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 5:01 PM EDT
"No, the Taurus raging pistols chamber a .45 long colt which is a black powder round. The Desert Eagle pistols are best known for chambering the 50 AE (action express) round. He is referring to .45 ACP (automatic colt pistol).The Taurus Raging Bull is a five shot revolver chambered in .454 Casul, which was one if not the most powerfull handgun on the market for some time. It will also fire .45 Long Colts. The last time a shot my cousin's, I drove a .454 copper HP all but a few inches through a railroad tie at around 25 yards. Thanks to Hollywood, most people recognize the Desert Eagle in .50 Action Express(unlike the movies, it usually only holds 5 rounds in a magazine). The Desert Eagle' chamberings used to include; .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .45 Cor-Bon and the .50 AE. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
27. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 5:10 PM EDT
"The Taurus Raging Bull is a five shot revolver chambered in .454 Casul, which was one if not the most powerfull handgun on the market for some time. It will also fire .45 Long Colts. The last time a shot my cousin's, I drove a .454 copper HP all but a few inches through a railroad tie at around 25 yards.You are correct. I mistakenly typed Raging, The original frame for that line was the Taurus Judge. The .50 AE Desert Eagle holds seven rounds in the magazine. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
28. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 5:20 PM EDT
"The .50 AE Desert Eagle holds seven rounds in the magazine."Yeah I'm not sure where I picked that up from lol. Also, it was the .440 Cor-Bon. Man I'm off my game today. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TreeLegs |
29. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 5:47 PM EDT
"just practice with iron sights, a lot.I'm not saying that the laser sight will make you an instant pistol god, but it does offer advantages for those of us that dont have the time or budget to practice as regularly as we should. The laser allows shooters to train to shoot from various angles safely and helps develop instinctive shooting skills. It also lets the person shoot weak hand in case the situation calls for it with greater accuracy. You can use it to practice breathing techniques by observing how the laser moves while aiming with it. It lets you practice room clearing drills safely with observable results. Skill should always be prioritized before technology, but technology can be used to help improve skill. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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30. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 3 2012, 8:30 PM EDT
"and shoot it often, but bright sunlihgt, light colored clothing , relffective clothing, dust, smoke, drizzle/rain, and distance make it hard to see the impact point, the dot, with the neaked eye. most common use is at night with nvg's so it is easy to see your beam from other people's and see where you are aiming.I wouldn't recommend using a visible laser with night vision at all ever. A class 3B IR is the way to go if you can get your hands on one, if not Laser Devises Inc. is making a class 1 A IR that we mere peasants are allowed to purchase. The problems arise when the light emitted from the laser reflects off of material around you, even your own weapon, and creates what is called splash and is intensified by the nvg's. It is basically the same as pointing the laser directly at your eyes and it hurts like hell(ask anybody who used a welder with no eye protection what it feels like). Aside from that, you can toast a perfectly good pair of NOD's that way. Some companies make special lenses for use with nightvision and lasers that protects the users retina. Also, black and other dark colors absorb the light from the lasers and makes it damn hard to find the dot. White, and other light colors reflect the beam and gives a crisp clear dot. The dust, smoke, and high humidity also makes it easy for someone to pinpoint your location as well, that's why I would prefer IR lasers on my primary. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
31. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 11 2012, 11:27 AM EDT
"With the laser I owned, I set it for about 10-15 yards after the bullet started to drop from my .45. Everything else was pretty much a guaranteed hit. This caused the point of aim for my laser tstrapless below the rounds closer up, but was easy to accommodate for. At that range, light dispersal could be a problem. "As far as I'm concerned 10-15 yards, and maybe even less, is more than enough accuracy for a pistol in the overwhelming majority of situations. Pistols can certainly be accurate much further than that, of course, but any further than 10-15 yards and you should still be using a rifle anyway. If a zombie is shambling towards you from 10-15 yards away and your rifle goes empty, you should still have plenty of time to reload before the zombie reaches you. If you are out of ammo entirely or if your rifle is jammed or whatever, then anything further than 10-15 yards should also be enough distance to allow you to escape rather than engaging with your pistol anyway. As they say, you only use your pistol to fight your way back to your rifle, which you shouldn't have put down in the first place. LOL 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mars22581 |
32. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 11:58 AM EDT
I wonder if you could use a laser to distract/lead zed's away... Like a cat trying to catch a a laser dot. May be handy to have one...
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33. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
I have a Crimson Trace grip on my Springfield .45ACP. I didn't buy it to make me an accurate shot. Practice does that better than any gizmo.But one huge plus to a laser sight is that you don't haveto hold the weapon up in a typical aiming mode. This allows you to have much better periferal (sp) vision and better situational awareness. If I have my .45 up in a two handed grip, to use the 3 dot sights, my hands and arms block much of my vision. I may not even be able to see the bad guy's hands. But with the laser dot in the center of his chest, I can hold the gun down in a more protected manner and can see the entire area in front of me. He knows he is pegged too. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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34. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 12:25 PM EDT
"I have a Crimson Trace grip on my Springfield .45ACP. I didn't buy it to make me an accurate shot. Practice does that better than any gizmo.Good point, there's the deterrent there too. I say they'd be good for snap shooting, not much else IMHO 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
35. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 12:46 PM EDT
"Good point, there's the deterrent there too.But snap shooting will probably end up being VERY important in a zombie scenario, so that's not something to discount lightly. Used properly, a laser doesn't make you more accurate, but it can make you a little faster, and every quarter of a second may count when ghouls are clawing for your face. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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oldannyboy37 |
36. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 2:03 PM EDT
A well made laser is durable and should hold zero. Like Brandon said, the green is a higher wave length and is easier to see. Green are also much easier to see in daylight. The main problem I see is that in a prolonged situation they can run out of batteries. They are good as a translator; they say, "Get the f*** away from me." in pretty much every language known to man. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
37. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 2:44 PM EDT
"I wouldn't recommend using a visible laser with night vision at all ever. A class 3B IR is the way to go if you can get your hands on one, if not Laser Devises Inc. is making a class 1 A IR that we mere peasants are allowed to purchase. The problems arise when the light emitted from the laser reflects off of material around you, even your own weapon, and creates what is called splash and is intensified by the nvg's. It is basically the same as pointing the laser directly at your eyes and it hurts like hell(ask anybody who used a welder with no eye protection what it feels like). Aside from that, you can toast a perfectly good pair of NOD's that way. Some companies make special lenses for use with nightvision and lasers that protects the users retina. Also, black and other dark colors absorb the light from the lasers and makes it damn hard to find the dot. White, and other light colors reflect the beam and gives a crisp clear dot. The dust, smoke, and high humidity also makes it easy for someone to pinpoint your location as well, that's why I would prefer IR lasers on my primary. "IR or not a laser can still damage your vision. The laser we use in the Ferris State Welding Lab is In the infrared spectrum and the bouceback alone can damage your eyes within something like 10 meters (I'll have to refer back to my class notes to verify this). However that laser runs at 2000 watts, which is well above the 1w threshold for most aiming devices. Splash is not the same thing as pointing a laser directly at your eyes as the power density is exponentially lower. nor is it anywhere near as bad as Arc Flash. *This isn't to say that lasers are not dangerous if used improperly. Never point a laser at your eye or anyone's eyes. Read all safety Manuals and abide by their warnings. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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38. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 2:54 PM EDT
"But snap shooting will probably end up being VERY important in a zombie scenario, so that's not something to discount lightly. Used properly, a laser doesn't make you more accurate, but it can make you a little faster, and every quarter of a second may count when ghouls are clawing for your face."Yeah I know, but for distracting zeds or replacing the sights (in use maybe, not physically removing the sights in place of a laser) I think they'd be less than useless 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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39. RE: Laser pointers doubt
Apr 14 2012, 3:24 PM EDT
Tbh, It's not that using a lasers bad, its just the a standard iron sight is easier with practise and far more reliable
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