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Skyler95 |
Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:38 AM EDT
Katanas, we've all seen them. These ancient Japanese swords appear often in modern day culture such as movies, games, pictures, books and in the hands of people around the world. Of course, there's nothing I'd like better than to take this brutal limb lopper and run into a crowd of zeds, decapitating everything in my way, but first, you have to take a look at the practical side of things. FIrstly, we analyze the types of katanas. Let's separate them into two groups; Crap and not crap. In the crap section we find the cheap katanas you find on fantasy sites and sites such as Trueswords and Budk. These swords usually range from 20 dollars to 50 dollars, are made of stainless steel and usually are modeled after video game character's weapons. Let's get one thing straight; These swords are total ****. First off, stainless steel is only good for knives. Anything over 12 inches is asking for trouble. I wouldn't trust one of these cheap swords to cut warm butter to spread on my early morning Apocalypse toast. Don't get me wrong, these sites can sell alright swords, for anywhere from 70 dollars to 150 dollars. These swords are often made of carbon steel or damascus steel. While these are a drastic upgrade, I'm not sure I'd rely on them for long term use. If you're in a pinch with 1-10 zeds and there's a carbon steel katana sitting next to you, it'll most likely help you tremendously, but don't expect it to be an indestructible object. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
1. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:43 AM EDT
Next there's the not crap section. In this section we find the katanas usually crafted by sites dedicated to the sale of katanas. Ronin Katana and Ryanswords are examples of these. These swords are crafted with precision and can range from 150 dollars to 5000 dollars. These are top of the line when it comes to modern day recreations of the Samurai weapon of old. Let's get one thing straight; A sword smith in old Japan would collect bodies from executions, tie them up and test the neck cutting power of their work. If the sword didn't decapitate the body easily, it wasn't ready. We're talking a sword sharp enough to cut the air in half by the time it was honed properly. Sounds great for cutting zombies down, right? Yes and no. In the yes sense, quality katanas are sharp, long, fairly balanced and just down right cool. In the no sense, the handle wrap of katanas are made of silk, so when this becomes soaked in blood, it could become difficult if not impossible to keep a good grip going. One way to fix this is to unwrap the original wrapping, and wrap the handle in a tennis over-grip. Tennis over-grips are long strips of tacky, rubbery material that you wrap around a tennis racquet's handle to keep a good grip going. And presto! You have a brutal zombie slicer with a nice tacky grip.1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
2. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:46 AM EDT
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This just leaves the proper respect and training with the weapon, and the actual process of getting the katana. Katanas aren't something you can just pick up and be a bad-ass killer with. Japanese Samurai spent countless hours training with katanas to develop a sense of respect and deadly precision with them. Sure, you can just pick one up, tie on a headband on and go crazy, but you'll probably end up slicing your fingers off. It's a good idea to read up on techniques and purchase a bamboo bokken, or training sword. Learn the weight of the weapon and use it carefully to get used to it.
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Skyler95 |
3. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:53 AM EDT
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Katanas, like every other quality blade, require maintenance every so often. Wipe your blade down every so often and make sure to not get any finger prints on it. It's good to take a thin rag, dip it in oil (Any oil besides motor) and run it over the blade. Anything that keeps a layer of oil between the blade and air. Not a super wet blade, just oiled enough.Types of Steel: Stainless Steel: When it comes to katanas, don't use it. Unless you plan on breaking off 2/3 of the blade and shanking someone with the remaining few inches. Carbon Steel: An upgrade. Retains sharpness fairly well, stronger than stainless. Good secondary or last resort. Folded Steel: Folded layers of different softnesses of steel, ranging anywhere from 1000 layers on. EXTREMELY SHARP. Keeps sharpness nicely as long as you maintain the blade well. Very sturdy, but flexible enough to not be brittle. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 6:35 AM EDT
I give you props. Usually when a new member comes on, they scream to the high heavens "I HAZ TEH KATNAA! I KILZ TEH ZOMBEH!" whereas you actually back it up with research and even explore the copious downsides to katanas PZD.Let's be honest, though, you'll be much better off with a TimberHammer. http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/photo/10628214/Timber%27s+Warhammer 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 6:49 AM EDT
Like any other edged weapon a Katana is a last resort weapon and unless you have training and have spent years honing your skills with it, you will be a detriment to all those around you, living and dead including yourself....yea someday when the ammo runs out...no I get it, but even then I'd prefer a combat ready hand and a half from Albion Amorers before I'd use a Katana
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Skyler95 |
6. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:07 PM EDT
"I give you props. Usually when a new member comes on, they scream to the high heavens "I HAZ TEH KATNAA! I KILZ TEH ZOMBEH!" whereas you actually back it up with research and even explore the copious downsides to katanas PZD.I'm glad you like my thread, but it's ironic because I'm not even a historian or anything, I'm a 16 year old kid! Yeah, unfortunately, video games will make for a bad guide for lots of people. The only edged weapon I'd really use as a main weapon would be a machete from Cold Steel. Blunt weapons are my favorite; Crushes skulls, doesn't get stuck. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
7. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:11 PM EDT
"Like any other edged weapon a Katana is a last resort weapon and unless you have training and have spent years honing your skills with it, you will be a detriment to all those around you, living and dead including yourself....yea someday when the ammo runs out...no I get it, but even then I'd prefer a combat ready hand and a half from Albion Amorers before I'd use a Katana"Being of Asian descent , I've taken an interest in the techniques and such, so I have more experience than a lot of people, but you're right, I wouldn't take the chance of killing someone near me, especially under the pressure of zombies. One thing I like about Katanas over medieval swords is that the katana is nicely balanced. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:26 PM EDT
"One thing I like about Katanas over medieval swords is that the katana is nicely balanced."Technically speaking a Katana is a Medieval sword. I know you're referring to European and Chinese swords but it's still worth pointing out. Plenty of European swords cut just as well and are just as well balanced as katanas. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Zee-Man |
9. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:38 PM EDT
Check this the video in this threadhttp://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4893972/Bless+you+Lynn+Thompson+-+Cold+Steel+pig+skull+penatration+testing. Particularly the end of the video where they demonstrate the tomahawks, then think about what the Timberhammer has in common. Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:39 PM EDT
" Katanas, we've all seen them. These ancient Japanese swords appear often in modern day culture such as movies, games, pictures, books and in the hands of people around the world. Of course, there's nothing I'd like better than to take this brutal limb lopper and run into a crowd of zeds, decapitating everything in my way, but first, you have to take a look at the practical side of things.true Damascus steel for $150? not likely...... Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 3:53 PM EDT
"One thing I like about Katanas over medieval swords is that the katana is nicely balanced."Have you ever handled a real live combat ready sword of any kind, Japanese or otherwise? I only ask because I have handled both Japanese and several Oakeshott's type blades (I own a custom 1 off Albion Next Gen type XVI-XVII hybrid) and I have to tell you, all properly made combat ready swords are well balanced, Katana or Medieval...they have to be, that/s what makes them deadly in the right hands, you see a lot of people assume because it is not a Katana that is is a clumsy unwieldy weapon, this is simply not the case, it's something you will quickly discover if given the chance to handle a quality combat ready sword, Japanese or Oakeshott, not some wall hanger that cost $150 and weighs 5ibs Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 4:07 PM EDT
"true Damascus steel for $150? not likely......"It's a word that gets thrown around far too much in the sword and knife making community. Pattern welded is far more appropriate of a term. The reality is, we don't know what made Damascus steel so great, or even if it really was that great. Personally I don't buy into the hype as much. Oh i'm sure that the swords that came out of Damascus were superior weapons, but this wasn't because of some secret, lost recipe for making a steel. It was simply a good geographic location for the raw materials needed to refine steel to it's best possible state, and a few smiths who stumbled upon a few good techniques. I do not believe that Damascus steel would stand up to a blade made using modern techniques. Especially not something made using powder metallurgy and then forged and properly heat-treated. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
13. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 4:46 PM EDT
"true Damascus steel for $150? not likely......"Definitely not extreme quality, but it's still Damascus to an extent. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
14. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 4:48 PM EDT
"Technically speaking a Katana is a Medieval sword. I know you're referring to European and Chinese swords but it's still worth pointing out.You can use a drill or a screwdriver to screw in something, both get the job done. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 4:48 PM EDT
"Definitely not extreme quality, but it's still Damascus to an extent."Did you read the above? A pretty pattern on the blade does not make it a good blade. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
16. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 5:01 PM EDT
"Have you ever handled a real live combat ready sword of any kind, Japanese or otherwise? I only ask because I have handled both Japanese and several Oakeshott's type blades (I own a custom 1 off Albion Next Gen type XVI-XVII hybrid) and I have to tell you, all properly made combat ready swords are well balanced, Katana or Medieval...they have to be, that/s what makes them deadly in the right hands, you see a lot of people assume because it is not a Katana that is is a clumsy unwieldy weapon, this is simply not the case, it's something you will quickly discover if given the chance to handle a quality combat ready sword, Japanese or Oakeshott, not some wall hanger that cost $150 and weighs 5ibs"I've been to many custom shops and expos showcasing battle-ready, artisan crafted swords and I never said they weren't effective. I'm just as much a fan of Japanese weaponry as I am of any other weaponry. A hand-and half sword is quite a brutal killer as well, I mean look at the Crusades! I direct you back to the title of this thread; 'Katanas' not 'Katanas vs. Other swords' I posted this to cover katanas, not other swords. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Skyler95 |
17. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 5:05 PM EDT
"Did you read the above? A pretty pattern on the blade does not make it a good blade."Yes, I read the above. Damascus steel isn't automatically a great weapon maker. The swords advertised are folded steel, sure enough, but aren't honed and crafted to last as long as swords made by a true forger. They're still Damascus steel, just nowhere near as high of quality as the higher end swords, obviously. Out of curiosity, I purchased a cheaper Damascus variant and tested it on some mats. It cut through them nicely. The blade is strengthened by the folds, but the overall build is easily classified as bulk produced. In comparison to my actual folded steel katana, the cuts weren't as clean and the feel wasn't nearly as sturdy. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 6:15 PM EDT
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Why is it that people (mostly kids) who have never owned or trained with a real katana seem to have so much to say about the sword? Good bad or otherwise...what the hell do you really know about the weapon that you didn't read on the internet or see in movies?Skyler...do you own a real Katana...of any kind? Do you own any real swords at all? Do you trian with swords? Why should I listen to your opinion? An opion which is actually already fairly well known on this site by the way. It may surprise you to find out that we aren't all mall ninjas running with dime store Katana. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Katanas
Apr 4 2012, 6:22 PM EDT
"Why is it that people (mostly kids) who have never owned or trained with a real katana seem to have so much to say about the sword? Good bad or otherwise...what the hell do you really know about the weapon that you didn't read on the internet or see in movies?Duterfel, you're a genuine jack-ass. If you'd actually take the time to read the posts on this thread, you'd see that A) He wrote out a very extensive analysis of katanas, B) He has trained with katanas, C) Has some katanas, and D) Has a fair knowledge and respect for them. It may surprise you to find out that we are not all people who are high off of their own ass, and go around skimming only certain points of a thread and then post flat out heinous comments that make themselves look like total retards. READ BEFORE YOU SPEAK, IDIOT. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |