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wkwkwkwk1	I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 4:23 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 4:23 AM EDT What would you do in case of an EMP blasting? What would be a possible scenario? (EMP: ElectroMagnetic Pulse, will make anything electronic stop working) Note: It needs to be connected to the power grid or turned on. My scenario: People screaming in the streets, law enforcement and army trying to calm people down, without radios to communicate. Lots of people panic-shopping, people dying, even without zombies, illnesses spreading, without communication means to give advice to the population, some survivors holed up somewhere. My plan: If I, by some reason know in advance it will happen, I'll turn off and disconnect anything electronic we have, grab, my BOB, head to my BOL, and hide, showing no signs of life. If needed, defend ourselves. How about you? Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: defense games living dead plan readiness survival Undead zombie zombies
Braydonn	1. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 5:36 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 5:37 AM EDT I would probably do the same as you WK, anything that happens like that would probably eventually cause mass hysteria in the public, so getting out quickly would be a very good idea. I would probably pack up most of the food in my house and put it in the car before I go because you never know how long the power will be out for, thus avoiding any trips into the chaos to retrieve food. Also grab my BOB and any other tools or things I deem useful for the situation. Once I arrive at my BOL, my family, my girlfriends family and I will be pretty much completely self sufficient, or sufficient enough to last until the order is restored. (Hopefully it is restored) Edit: Added a bit more info. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
x-wolfhunter	2. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 6:13 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 6:13 AM EDT Ooh, this is a perfect place to link my EMP survival page! Wkwk, did you do this on purpose? http://generalsurvival.wetpaint.com/page/How+to+Survive+an+EMP+Blast Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Braydonn	3. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 6:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 6:19 AM EDT "Ooh, this is a perfect place to link my EMP survival page! Wkwk, did you do this on purpose? http://generalsurvival.wetpaint.com/page/How+to+Survive+an+EMP+Blast" Haha that does seem like quite a coincidence doesn't it Wolfhunter! Great page! I like the way you've twisted in some humor as well! Good job! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
x-wolfhunter	4. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 6:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 6:19 AM EDT "Haha that does seem like quite a coincidence doesn't it Wolfhunter! Great page! I like the way you've twisted in some humor as well! Good job!" Thank you. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wkwkwkwk1	5. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 6:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 6:53 AM EDT "Ooh, this is a perfect place to link my EMP survival page! Wkwk, did you do this on purpose? http://generalsurvival.wetpaint.com/page/How+to+Survive+an+EMP+Blast" Actually yes. I was trying to see what were the first reactions of everyone, which were good and which were bad, then refer you to this thread and we'd both write the page based on this thread. You want my help writing? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	6. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 7:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2012, 7:59 AM EDT I would shrug, check over quickly my active electronics and if needed go to the parts box get spare parts and repair the affected items and continue on as normal. I may be slightly annoyed depending on what I was doing because any active data would be lost, with my luck I would be writing. An EMP only affects divices that are powered. Electronics have degrees of magnetic and RF sheilding built in to them to comply with FCC or similar agency regulations. The highest levels of this sheilding are usually found in old electronics like the Original Nintendo so It would offer a measure of protection. The large metal plates you see are RF and magnetic sheilding in the Nintendo when the case is removed. An EMP is an often overstated exadurated plot divice and leftover fear of the Cold War. The major concern for an EMP is aircraft in flight as a computer reset with an aircaft with computer regulated flight would result in a crash. Stealth creates unstable flight, computers make millions of small ajustments to keep the aircraft airbourn. Modern military high speed non stealth aircraft go faster than is humanly possible to control therefore they are also computer regulated. The damage resulting from an EMP would be minimal at most it would be a minor annyoance to the majority people. If electromagnetic flux was as dangerous as claimed AC powerplants would not be computer controlled. AC energy is alternating current therefore they generate rapidly shifing magnetic feilds. Any power disruptions from an EMP would be temporary lasting anywhere from a few seconds to a couple of hours if the companies had to replace some component. Power companies keep parts on hand to repair their equipment it is why blackouts often are short affairs. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
zhunterd	7. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 4 2012, 10:05 AM EDT The same as shadowmancer, I would shrug, repair/replace a few components, and power-up what I wanted to use. a Massive EMP pulse is not going to cause the end of civilization. It may cause some crashes, some deaths, etc., but humans would mourn the dead, and then rebuild what was damaged. During the week of March 12, 2012, the earth was bombarded by massive solar storms, that caused some damage/disruptions, but the average joe never noticed it. A bigger threat to humanity right now is a untreatable viral outbreak, a massive thermonuclear war, or a planet killing impact from space objects. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nedonedonedo	8. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 8 2012, 11:46 PM EDT an emp would kill all the transistors in power lines within the blast radius. idk if you live in the usa, but in 2001 there was a tree that broke one power line, and the damage that transistors in other states took weeks to fix. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ubersoldat	9. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 9 2012, 9:01 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 9 2012, 9:01 AM EDT "an emp would kill all the transistors in power lines within the blast radius. idk if you live in the usa, but in 2001 there was a tree that broke one power line, and the damage that transistors in other states took weeks to fix. " one of the scenarioes for a nuclear war was the mass use of high altitude devices to deliver overlapping, intense emp. the specualation was that any device capable of carrying a current would be overwhelmed. this was believed to be capable of gaining access to certain protected systems, mainly for national defense, creating a 'window' to more successfully deliver nuclear weapons to cruitical targets. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
shadowmancer	10. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 9 2012, 12:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 9 2012, 12:23 PM EDT A window :D thank you Uber it doesn't destory devices it just changes the flow of electrons making the devices shut down. Electrons always move in straight lines down conductors to the postive pole, electrons are negative. An emp in simplest terms swiches the poles causing basically a trafic jam of electrons. Magnetic memory is depolarized so data would be lost if active. it seems Uber you and I are agreeing on more and more. Transformers are designed to fail when lines are short circuited, they have large fuses in them the poweline probably crossed another path creating an overload. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	11. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 10 2012, 8:38 AM EDT Someone's been watching Jericho. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	12. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 10 2012, 6:36 PM EDT (1) People on life support would be toast. Those relying on electronic heart machince (pacemakers, autovalves, etc) would be toast (some pacemaker people would be okay). People needing medication that require refrigeration would be on a ticking clock (not sure if that applies to modern insulin like it did the old stuff). Old people in need of a pharmacist to get their drugs might not be able to make it in time. (2) The loss of heating and cooling would result in tons of deaths given the right (wrong) weather. Refrigeratged and frozen food would go bad in mass. (3) Cities would be dark at night and the streets would fill with people (as they did during the blackout a few years back). (4) If it took too long to get things back to normal, the cities would pour into the countryside and those in the country would have to deal with them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	13. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 10 2012, 9:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 10 2012, 11:11 PM EDT I believe that there are a few backup systems in case of failure in hospitals i'll have to check -edited because of different regulations on different parts of the globe- Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wkwkwkwk1	14. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 11 2012, 12:15 PM EDT "(1) People on life support would be toast. Those relying on electronic heart machince (pacemakers, autovalves, etc) would be toast (some pacemaker people would be okay). People needing medication that require refrigeration would be on a ticking clock (not sure if that applies to modern insulin like it did the old stuff). Old people in need of a pharmacist to get their drugs might not be able to make it in time. (2) The loss of heating and cooling would result in tons of deaths given the right (wrong) weather. Refrigeratged and frozen food would go bad in mass. (3) Cities would be dark at night and the streets would fill with people (as they did during the blackout a few years back). (4) If it took too long to get things back to normal, the cities would pour into the countryside and those in the country would have to deal with them." great scenario, congratulations!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zhunterd	15. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 11 2012, 12:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 11 2012, 12:48 PM EDT After Hurricane Ike, Houston, and southeast Texas, was totally without power for up to two weeks. Society did not really break down, and the 5 million people affected did not panic. Most quickly reverted to using outdoor grills and bar be cue pits, and actually got out and met their neighbors. A nationwide emp pulse would not destroy the country. Most people would adapt fairly quickly, and companies would scramble to build replacement electronics to sell to the huge number of consumers who would clamber to buy them.(which would probably turn out for the better of the country, because a lot of inefficient, power hog devices would get replaced with more efficient replacements, thereby reducing the amount of electricity used/produced, and some pollution..) The only ones who would go "Mad Max", are the ones who would go "Mad Max", no matter what natural disaster happened. Lots of electronics were lost in the Houston area after Hurricane Ike, when power was restored, and people had generators running at the same time. The resulting surges fried a lot of a/c units, refridgerators, xboxes/playstations/Wii consoles, and the generators people were using created dangerous electrical flow for the repair crews.(some people would connect a generator directly to their fuse panel, and cause current to flow into the grid. Repair crews were finding lines that they thought they had turned off, were still live because of current coming from home generators.) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	16. RE: I know this isn't about zeds, but... Apr 11 2012, 8:26 PM EDT The problem with EMP is that it often fries even the backup generators (requirements to keep them beneath Faraday Cages have slipped into the past). All the same - EMP is not a highly likely scenario and most EMPs would be local (and thus no national faliures). The analogy to Houston is not totally apt. It does illustrate that when people have hope that things will improve, they tend to make the best of things. Those people, however, had hope, working radios (in their working cars) for communication from the world, and a few days warning to prep. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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