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vampirejediknight |
So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 5:03 PM EDT
So, now I've gotten my Marlin 60 and am stockpiling ammunition, going out to the range, and saving up money to blow, I'm thinking about guns. Of course, I'd like to work towards one of my dream guns, SKS or .44 magnum single action, but I've been thinking along different lines. First of all, a handgun would be great to have, but I'm not sure about a good one that's very affordable. Any suggestions there? Also, I've been considering replacing my bug out rifle with 9mm Kel-Tec SUB 2000. It could be my general purpose bug out gun, and the .22 could be my gun for hunting and keep it leaning it the corner with a good supply of ammunition, while folding up the Kel-Tec and shoving it in my bug-out-bag. Or should I save up for something other than a gun? Like a good guitar? Something else useful? What do you think? Do you find this valuable?
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=jesse= |
1. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 5:10 PM EDT
I know there are glock fans here...but I've had nothing but great experiences with my xd-45. And you already have a .22 with that 60 don't you? Get a different caliber. If you're thinking sks then I assume you're probably thinking about spending between the 3-500 range??? Just remember cost of ammo...god those boxes of .45 and 12 gauge add up fast.... The guitar was one of my favorite melee weapons in Left for Dead 2 though... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
2. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 5:24 PM EDT
The cost of ammunition is part of my problem. That's why I'm considering the Kel-Tec. A good price for it is around $200, and 9mm ammunition is pretty cheap. My later reference to a .22 was referring to the 60, not getting another .22. Thanks for the input. Do you find this valuable? |
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vampirejediknight |
3. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 5:48 PM EDT
I read a reveiw, and I thought about getting a .40 caliber version, but 9mm is cheaper to stockpile. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 6:18 PM EDT
I like the 9mm. I've fired it through a sig, beretta, glock, and an xd and always enjoyed it. Oddly enough I've never fired a .40 so I wouldn't be able to say anything on it.Do you have a specific Kel-Tec in mind? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
5. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 6:39 PM EDT
SUB-2000 would be the one I'm thinking of. For under $400 with a lot going for it, including accuracy, reliability, fairly inexpensive, a fair number of after-market parts for those with interest and extra cash, and fairly cheap round (if you go for 9mm), these are pretty nice carbines. Of course, it would take a little while to save enough to blow on that and everything I'd need for it (at least with a clear conscience), but it'd be a nice goal to work towards for a cost in the vicinty of or lower than an SKS or .44 magnum. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
6. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 7:54 PM EDT
I think an SKS would be more useful then a 9mm carbine and ammo isn't all that much more expensiveA .44 mag single action revolver would be way down the list of guns to get. Maybe neato but a very specialized gun 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
Sharpie41 |
7. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 7:55 PM EDT
I'd suggest an SKS, but the 9mm is more common
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timberrattler |
8. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 6 2012, 9:09 PM EDT
If you're looking for something in the $200 price range I don't think you could go wrong with a Pardner Protector pump action shotgun. It's basically a Remington 870 clone and it is built rock solid.I was across the river the other day where Wal-Mart still sells guns. They had a Pardner on sale over there for $179. One of my favorite combinations is a .22 rifle and a 12 guage shotgun. Both guns compliment one another well. Stockpileing 12 gauge ammo is expensive though. I like the Kel-Tecs you're looking at too. They're not the prettiest guns on the market but they are light-weight and reliable. Add a red dot sight and a sling and you'd have a quick handling, handy carbine. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Redrighthand |
9. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 3:45 AM EDT
It's really hard to think of anything better than the Sub-2000 as a bug-out bag gun. But really, are you going to use your BOB, ever? Realistically?So, my thought would be, given you have a semi-auto rifle, and you're thinking of getting a handgun, then get a handgun. Now, others are far more able to advise on this, but you could even get a .22 handgun to start with (Ruger 22/45 looks like fun). Of course, the musician in me says get the guitar. It's really, really important for your sanity to be creative, imho - which may be more important than gunnery. ;) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
10. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 8:18 AM EDT
Thanks for all the advice. Perhaps the SKS is the better gun here, but I'm just running through all my options, thanks for the input. I've been thinking about a shotgun since before I got my .22, and I'm sure it'd be nice to have, even though the ammunition would not be a huge stockpile. I might want to get a reloading kit for it eventually. As for getting a handgun, it's an interesting thought. While .22 would be the least expensive, I'm not sure I'd want a .22 handgun and rifle. I think my handgun should be more powerful for sudden 'oh sh*t' moments. Kind of a short-range, hard-hitting thing would be my thinking. As for the BOB, it's not that likely I'll really need it very soon, but the Kel-Tec would have other purposes. As I said, thanks for the input. I'll keep thinking. Do you find this valuable? |
11ACRBlackhorse |
11. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 8:56 AM EDT
My Chinese SKS has a folding stock, and becomes more compact than my Hi-Point 9mm carbine. And I can shorten the barrel on the SKS if I need a shorter and a little lighter carbine. I prefer my SKS as my BOB main weapon. But I wouldn't hesitate to use a pistol caliber carbine in it's place. The Kel-Tec is a more compact weapon and shoots great. So can't go wrong there.Now my 7.62X39 ammo is about $25 for 100rds compared to $22 for 100rds of 9mm. So to me it is a wash in cost. Now in weight and space the 9mm will take up less space in the BOB. And if you get a pistol in the same caliber with the same mags it will be even easier. My choice for me would be the SKS for better range and shooting through cover. But it is heavier and bulkier too. Good luck with the choices. I know how hard they can become. lol 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
12. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 6:57 PM EDT
Thanks, Blackhorse.
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Oakspar77777 |
13. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 9:40 PM EDT
If ammo cost is the issue, there are things you can do to take the 12G down. (1) Buy Law Enforcement rounds in bulk. LE labled 00buck are still 00buck (check that they are full powder rounds, not reduced recoils). I got a case (250) of Noble Sport (Italian) LE 2.75" 00buck for .55 a round (with shipping) - less than half the cost of a store bought shell. (2) Get a mold for 00buck (usually less than $20. At that point, every round you have is a steel spoon and some time in front of the fireplace away from a simple 00buck conversion. A box of 100 shells of 7.5 or 8 is usually less than $20, making for .25 shells to convert. That is usually cheaper then reloading - since you don't need presses, measures, and you still have to purchase primer and powder. (3) Go for full out reloads. This is the cheapest rout if you shoot 3" or 3.25" regularly (turkey hunters usually like a high powder 3.25" #4 shot that is much cheaper to reload). Sometimes, if you know someone with a press, you can get them to reprime the shells, and you can powder and shot them yourself. Also, I have heard of people repriming their shells by hand without a press. I wouldn't do it, but since there is no brass to reform, it could be done. I would just be too shaky expecting the primer to pop on me. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 7 2012, 10:33 PM EDT
A Lee Precision Shotshell reloader is inexpensive and works well. I reload 12 gauge, 45acp and .223 Rem/5.56x45. Lee Precision is a great starter press for folks new to reloading. After someone gets more proficient and saves some money they save from not buying new ammo all the time they can upgrade to a Dillon or Mec. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
15. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 8 2012, 11:55 AM EDT
Good ideas Oakspar and Prime.Ive never tempted reloading shot shells but my brother-in-law does. Or is it he loads from all virgin materials? Dont know but he is reload/load freak. If he could be would be reloading 22LRs also. lol Now I forgot all about the beginner presses out there. That is simple cheap and easy way to reload/load. Thanks again. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
16. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 14 2012, 4:02 PM EDT
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If I chose to work towards a nice semi-auto handgun, what would be a good suggestion in that department?
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Sharpie41 |
17. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 14 2012, 5:25 PM EDT
"If I chose to work towards a nice semi-auto handgun, what would be a good suggestion in that department?"Glock is good, everyone bîtches about Gen4 reliability, the only jams I've had are from when newbies limp wrist it or when you manually load one into the chamber and fire without a mag. But, would YOU bîtch about it not having a safety? That's a huge complaint about Glocks. I can't give you any firsthand advice on anything other than a 1911, but I assume you want a 9mm? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vampirejediknight |
18. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 14 2012, 11:38 PM EDT
Well, probably, as it is the less expensive option. I had a 1911, too, and it was great, but this time I'd be looking for something lower priced with a lower ammunition cost. Probably a 9mm, as I doubt I want a .22 caliber sidearm. Now, I'm not a big fan of the the feel of a Glock, and as for the safety problem, I'd have some complaints in that department. I'm not sure most 9mm handguns would be worth the investment as much as some other options (SKS, Kel-Tec, not a gun). Like I said, I don't know what exactly I want, but I'm bouncing around in the area of handguns. Does anyone happen to have experience with a CZ-75? Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
19. RE: So. . . I'm Thinking About Guns Again
Apr 14 2012, 11:42 PM EDT
"Well, probably, as it is the less expensive option. I had a 1911, too, and it was great, but this time I'd be looking for something lower priced with a lower ammunition cost.I don't have experience with them, but I've heard they are awesome. http://survivalcache.com/survival-gear-cz-75-pistol/ Here's a review on one from a survivalists perspective. My dad has a "Baby Eagle" he likes, it has a manual safety/decocker and an external hammer, I don't like the DA trigger though 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
