"That is hardly intelligible.

I do want to offer a few corrections - the Remington 700 and Savage 110 are hardly Mauser knockoffs. The Pre-64 Winchester 70's, CZ 550, and newer Ruger M77? Those most certainly "borrow" pretty heavily from the Mauser, definitely more heavily that either the Remington or the Savage.

Want a Mauser knockoff? Get a Remington 798, Interarms Mark X, or USSG Z98. Those are actually Mauser Pattern rifles."

"I was saying mauser knock off due to cocking on up stroke and rear mounted bolt handle. I am awar that they have prepiatary aspects to the design. They are not cloans, they do perform comperably in the field. They use similar operatin system, atleast compared to the other parent arcitype bolt designs Manlinche, Enfield,Mosin ect. They are not cloans but they are grand children, shal we say. The point was more about their overall performance and operation being comperable as with any deacent modern bolt action. Take your pick on brand, most shoot sub MOA these days. I was mostly talking about Savage's propriatary bolt face and barell mount designs making repair and conversion much easier on the Savage. I t does not require specialty tools or machining. You can rebulid this rifle action up without machining. All things equal, that alone should gain it a place in the top 10."

" The sales of 3030 rifle and reported sales of ammo stiill out paces every other hunting cartrage and rifle combo. The repeaters offered by big companies like henry and rossi are exclusivly lever guns and 3030 is the lions share of those. 223,7.62x39 and 7.62x54 sell almost entirly mil surp. "

"A mauser patern rifle has a rear mount bolt handle not a forward mount with a split back and a stagered rather than a single stack magazine along with the that uptake bolt. That is by definition a mauser patern rifle. That is why the us had to pay mauser for the springfield 03a3. Rotary magazines is a schuenaur, and a strait stack is ussualy a manlicher. The only one realy used out herir in any number becaus of ease of manufacture is the mauser patern."

"All things aside, we didn't pick the rifles based on performance, much less any one person's individual opinion. It was a matter of voting. It was a community event, and not a reflection of anything else other than the will of our site members at the time of the election.

With regards to this topic specifically, I don't think any one bolt action is vastly superior to any other. Sure, some are a little faster or smoother, or possibly a little more or less accurate, but any of them will do the job provided the guy (or gal) behind the rifle knows what they're doing to affect accuracy.

Sure, many of the Savage rifles offer an easier means of swapping barrels, but this is really only important when we're talking about highly precise long range competition and "sniper" rifles, where pinnacle accuracy is required. One can get about 5000 rounds out a of .308 caliber match barrel before any decrease in precision becomes apparent - that's when the M24 SWS operators manual recommends a barrel swap. That number is purely figurative; it means that the barrel is "shot out" of competition or "sniper" use. Some sniper barrels continue on, if the accuracy is still there. These "shot out" barrels are still very functional as a hunting rifle barrel because sub-MOA accuracy is not really necessary to hunt.

We could talk all day long about what makes the ideal bolt action rifle and we would come up with five or six different opinions - all equally valid - as to what form this setup would take. It depends on what you wanna do with the rifle, how much you want to spend, and what your personal preferences are. And even then, all things being equal, you'll still get different answers!"

"The only thinig the 110 has in common with the 98 is its 2 front locking lugs. But the 110 is a new design. It has a floating bolt head, tube bolt body, seperate bolt handle and no 3rd rear safety lug like the 98. The floating bolt head allows the bolt to mate with the receiver more accurately and consistantly. increasing its overall out of the box accuracy.
Saying the Savage 110 is a derivative of the 98 is like saying the 98 is a derivative of a whitworth or dreyse because they are both bolt action.
Also because of the floating bolt head on the 110 you can change calibers quickly by replacing the bolt head, and the barrel, setting the head space and your good.

@LJ ; the ideal bolt action as we both know, is the one we own. "

". If it That is why the us had to pay mauser for the springfield 03a3.

The ones cocking on the down stroke ar called Enfield patern raifles. On them Bolts must be custom fit so they are tooexpensive to mass produce.

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