"My opinion can't actually be wrong because its my personal opinion. I don't own a .22lr because I believe its a sorry excuse for a rifle. Yes, it will still kill a man and yes it can still take down game, but there are a whole host of weapons that accomplish those same goals with much more consistency and efficiency. Great as a training weapon (M&P 22 for example) or plinker? Sure. Something I would take into combat with me? Absolutely not.

An XDm takes about 5 minutes to clean like a Glock, so that doesn't surprise me that you did it in about 30 minutes for both weapons. Do you have the XDm in 9mm or .40 ManCub?

Blackhorse, where are you located? I'm assuming its Georgia as you quoted the Dalton gun show prices. As I said, in NC its just as easy to find AK parts as it is AR parts, and online its almost easier. Also, I simply haven't found an AR for less than $700 in NC in a long time. Like I said, show me a link where I can buy it for $550 and I'll buy it today."

"So I guess you think the .410 isn't a shotgun? Or the .25 ACP isn't a pistol? We're talking platforms, not power. You hold it with 2 hands and it fires a single projectile, it's a rifle, 2 hands and shoots shot, shotgun. 1 hand and a single projectile, handgun. 3 basic platforms for firearms, unless there are others......

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"I do not believe he is debating the fact that they are classified as a rifle but rather that he would fling poop at his enemy before taking a .22.

It's his opinion. : P"

"I also said I won't own one, not I wouldn't grab one and empty the magazine into a bad guy and then beat them to death with the stock ;). If poo was the only weapon I had, then flinging poo it is.

The .410 isn't too bad, all things considered. And the .25 ACP is a bad joke. But those are my personal opinions.

By the legal definition in the US, a KelTec Sub2000 is a rifle, you are right. As a rifle it performs at the very bottom end of the spectrum. It has poor muzzle velocity for a rifle, very poor balistics for a rifle and uses a pistol round in a rifle-like platform. All in all, a pretty poor rifle compared to anything like the AK-47, AR-15, the ACR, etc. Anything else I can help you with?"

"I said I won't own one, not I wouldn't grab one and empty the magazine into a bad guy and then beat them to death with the stock ;). If poo is the only weapon available, then flinging poo it is.

The .410 isn't too bad, all things considered. And the .25 ACP is a bad joke. But those are my personal opinions.

By the legal definition in the US, a KelTec Sub2000 is a rifle, you are right. As a rifle it performs at the very bottom end of the spectrum. It has poor muzzle velocity for a rifle, very poor balistics for a rifle and uses a pistol round in a rifle-like platform. All in all, a pretty poor rifle compared to anything like the AK-47, AR-15, the ACR, etc. Anything else I can help you with?"