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Mvandoren95 |
Aircraft ideas?
Apr 13 2012, 11:36 PM EDT
Basically I have acess to civilian aircraft. I need ideas on ways to utilize this to its full potential. Most planes are small enough to land on Large roadways. I fly very well, I have my pilot's license and working to get my instrument rating. But I have a plan involving it as an escape to a true bug out location or near a colony if contact was ever made. I just need possible ideas for its use that doesn't involve escaping. Do you find this valuable?
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Redrighthand |
1. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 11 2012, 3:32 AM EDT
"Basically I have acess to civilian aircraft. I need ideas on ways to utilize this to its full potential. Most planes are small enough to land on Large roadways. I fly very well, I have my pilot's license and working to get my instrument rating.Leaving aside the logistics of keeping a small plane running over time, it's great for scouting, but it's also great for letting people know where you are. Two edged sword. Dropping fire bombs on Z's could be entertaining, but fraught with peril. :) You could start up a mail run between other survivors. Do you find this valuable? |
shadowmancer |
2. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 11 2012, 4:30 AM EDT
It should be noted that the interstate highway system in the states was designed to be used as emergency airports for small and large military aircraft. its why it is shaped the way it is.
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Redrighthand |
3. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 12 2012, 9:36 PM EDT
That makes sense. Here in Australia, in more remote areas, you'll see some sections of highway that are specifically marked as emergency landing sites for the RFDS (Royal Flying Doctor Service, our remote Air Ambulances).
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zhunterd |
4. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 12 2012, 10:46 PM EDT
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"It should be noted that the interstate highway system in the states was designed to be used as emergency airports for small and large military aircraft. its why it is shaped the way it is."The long straight sections of the US interstate system are all designed as runways. Many of them are being upgraded to thick concrete, in order to handle large military planes. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Sharpie41 |
5. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 13 2012, 1:10 AM EDT
"The long straight sections of the US interstate system are all designed as runways. Many of them are being upgraded to thick concrete, in order to handle large military planes. "I think it's one mile in every five needs to be perfectly straight Do you find this valuable? |
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zhunterd |
6. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 13 2012, 1:21 AM EDT
"I think it's one mile in every five needs to be perfectly straight "I don't know the exact numbers, but there are quite a few places on the US highway system that have been designed as secondary runways. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mvandoren95 |
7. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 13 2012, 9:29 PM EDT
Unfortunately these highways will most likely have cars backed up on them but there's actually plenty of airports to safely network to other places. Many small airports are located away from a lot of population the only danger is the lack of weather briefing thus making prep time for flight that much longer.
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Mwolfe1 |
8. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 13 2012, 11:19 PM EDT
As a former military rotary pilot and current private and commercial pilot i need to say, where ever people are getting this "interstate highway system in the states was designed to be used as emergency airports for small and large military aircraft. " and "I think it's one mile in every five needs to be perfectly straight" along with "I don't know the exact numbers, but there are quite a few places on the US highway system that have been designed as secondary runways." And not a clue where this is coming from "Many of them are being upgraded to thick concrete, in order to handle large military planes". NO!! Fact checks are nice because these are ALL entirely, utterly, completely, and totally false. This urban legend has been around for some time but it is just a myth that keeps popping up from people who don't fact check. We have an untold number of small, private, along with abandoned and reserve landing fields capable of handling many aircraft we don't need to paralyze, yes paralyze the highway/interstate system in midst of a crisis that big. There have been a few thoughts at possible funding to do such insanity years past but it was deemed way more of a hindrance than a help. And no areas of interstate is anywhere near capable of handling a C-130 or C-17 let alone C-5 or any other "large military aircraft" Logistics? please.. I'll still have most of my aircraft flight worthy long after most of your cars/trucks have crapped out. Civilian vehicles are not built for heavy off road work like milspec vehicles are. Mvandoren95, what aircraft you rated on, that would help. There are many things you can do with aircraft besides "escape", Recon, SAR, communication, herding -yes herding cattle. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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shadowmancer |
9. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 14 2012, 6:26 AM EDT
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I can tell you my sources :D The US federal goverment through the varrious highway acts.it is not false its how the highway system was supposed to be built in the US. Read the Federal highway act of 1956 its in there. Don't read the 1921 act it isn't in that one its a tad dated the 74 revamp put the 55 mph as the speed limit and provided new calculations for figuring out the safe maximum tonnage on bridges. I'll admit some highways may not live up to the expectations, but they are supposed to be able to be used thusly. It is not an urban legend its law, it only gets mistaken for a legend because the average joe blow really doesn't know the law. I fact check for a living Edited for a typo Do you find this valuable? |
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Mwolfe1 |
10. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 17 2012, 12:19 AM EDT
Well you fact check wrong, and now I can honestly say i'd never trust your "facts" and people can count you among the average Joes who dont know the law.Old military adage, "Trust but verify", the vast majority of us live by it. Nothing, no act at any time, no legislation anywhere backs your claim to this myth. Link to the Federal Highway Administration itself: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/00mayjun/onemileinfive.cfm you can go and tell them They are wrong, that there is a law "you've seen it". They and the act of 1956 says your wrong. Give a link to a credible Federal-highway aid act 1956 where it lists that supposed law, but you won't because there isn't and never was one. Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
11. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 17 2012, 5:47 AM EDT
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Sigh read my post and the whole Act thing before you say anything, don't bother wasting my time with a mere comentary. What you provided is not the Act it is an after the fact comment by one engineer. I should note that I did not say the 5 in 1 rule existed. I said for use as an "emergency airport" scroll up and re read.You are providing an opion on the act not the actual document itself. I doubt you've read the several hundred pages of the actual act. There are no credible "links" as it is a large document you have to physically go get the document. Internet based information is crap, get primary documents or nothing in serious research. You should really check the quality of your link considering he admits himself in the body of the text to being the "unoffical" historian, hardly a credible source, translation he is a guy who works there with an opinion. Lets examine what your document says shall we? It claims the 1 in 5 rule is a fallacy, which I never used. He notes that he is not a historian. He notes that Esienhower did not put the 5 in 1 rule in. He notes that the period airstrips were connected to highways He notes the substructures of urban centers cannot support anything over the long term. All logical points for 1 in 5 as bullplop. American roads are straight for a simple reason straight lines are easier to make. It does not however disprove anything of them being used as an airstrip in an emergency. Lets us begin by defining a term: An emergency is a SHORT TERM event which is unplanned and needs a rapid responce. Highways are designed so that if an aircraft oh i don't know loses complete power that it can land in comparative safety instead of taking a nosedive into a feild, breaking up and killing everyone onboard. They are large enough to be used when clear by almost any period aircraft, landing on a highway is preferable to a firey death don't you think? Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
12. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 17 2012, 6:24 AM EDT
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You sir need to read posts carefully before you attempt to call out and insult a persons profession, you just looked like an idiot. I'll admit that the 1956 act is used by people who don't know what they are talking about because it is the act in which the structure of the roads itself is codeifed in. This overuse is becuase it was one of the acts that gave rise to the interstate highway system. Every urban legend has a grain of truth and since I just rock i'll point out the grain of truth for you. I doubt by your previous assumptions you would bother digging. The important information in the act: a minimum of 2 lanes in each direction a 12 foot width for each lane right paved shoulders of 10 feet in width It also details the amount of space between the shoulder and any human constuction or nature in the area for the interstate system. Pilots are what matters in this discussion, not the aircraft itself. The goverment has pleanty of aircraft and can replace them rapidly, good pilots take years of training and experience cannot be easily replaced. In short they want the pilots to survive. 1956 is the year of the Highway Act it should be noted that 1958 is the year that aircraft were first fitted with rocket-propelled ejector seats. Prior to 1958 and the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger ejector seats used explosive charges which usually did not end well for the pilots spine, but yet again it is preferable to a firey death. They looked for many alternatives to keep the pilots going. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mvandoren95 |
13. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 17 2012, 9:31 PM EDT
Quick side note, A 747 won't be able to land on these highways. They are designed for small aircraft emeregencies.Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
14. RE: Aircraft ideas?
May 17 2012, 10:50 PM EDT
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747 is not a period aircraft, so true a 2 lane highway would not be large enough for them. The distance between the 747 rear wheels (the wheel track) is roughly 36 feet (11m) so it would be about 2 feet short on a 2 lane highway.A larger highway, I hope we never have to find out. This aircraft was first flown some 14 years after the act was put into law. Thanks for clearing up that oversight of mine lol all highways are not create equal lol. Do you find this valuable? |
