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GunKata |
20. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 10:28 AM EDT
Why has no one thought of an air rifle/pistol? With a few spare parts and a can of oil, a paint can full of pellets will last for many years. With a sound suppressor (legal in GB, but not US), you're really in business. No flint knapping or scrounging to make more gunpowder nor making/restraightening arrows and manufacturing new points. Lead can be pulled off the wheels of abandoned vehicles and easily melted for pouring into a mould if you run low (also true for powder-driven bullets).
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White76Knight |
21. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 1:03 PM EDT
"Why has no one thought of an air rifle/pistol? With a few spare parts and a can of oil, a paint can full of pellets will last for many years. With a sound suppressor (legal in GB, but not US), you're really in business. No flint knapping or scrounging to make more gunpowder nor making/restraightening arrows and manufacturing new points. Lead can be pulled off the wheels of abandoned vehicles and easily melted for pouring into a mould if you run low (also true for powder-driven bullets)."Yes, but the Air Rifle is a generally useless weapon. It doesn't have power enough to take out a zombie, and most of them don't even have enough power to take rabbits or other small game. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
IamSlowRide |
22. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 2:00 PM EDT
"With a sound suppressor (legal in GB, but not US)"Suppressors are legal to own and use in Washington, Oregon and many other states in the US 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
23. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 5:39 PM EDT
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"Suppressors are legal to own and use in Washington, Oregon and many other states in the US"And also legal to learn how to make them so that you can build one After the SHTF if you live anywhere else. Knowledge isn't illegal. Do you find this valuable? |
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gravesstne |
24. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 6:17 PM EDT
whatever you choose make sure it isn't a compound(has no cams or the arrows, or bolts will shatter before they reach the target
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White76Knight |
25. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 6:28 PM EDT
"whatever you choose make sure it isn't a compound(has no cams or the arrows, or bolts will shatter before they reach the target"The solution here is simply to be careful what you make your arrows out of, and how stiff they are. Do you find this valuable? |
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gravesstne |
26. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 6:33 PM EDT
"The solution here is simply to be careful what you make your arrows out of, and how stiff they are."correction don't make your arrows out of most types of wood or they w/ill shatter Do you find this valuable? |
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IamSlowRide |
27. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 9 2012, 6:49 PM EDT
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"correction don't make your arrows out of most types of wood or they w/ill shatter"Wood arrows fired from a compound or cam'd crossbow could possibly shatter, dependant on how poorly they are made, for the other 2 types of bows though an aluminum, graphite or carbon fiber shaft would be best, wood shafts are find for all primitive flatstick long bows and recurves Do you find this valuable? |
whitefang10 |
28. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 10 2012, 3:57 AM EDT
"well, not yet anyway. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
29. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 10 2012, 5:15 AM EDT
"well, not yet anyway."LOL - Ain't that the truth. Do you find this valuable? |
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lupinedog |
30. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 10 2012, 3:48 PM EDT
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In response to the air rifle being ineffective comment above. Wow. Absolutely an uninformed comment. Many of the current common air rifles are .177 calibre which is inadequate for hunting medium/large game but the concept is solid. Lewis and Clark had air rifles with them when then crossed the continent becasue they knew that air was limitless but powder took up space and weight, and could get wet. You only need to carry your ammo to shoot. If you look at some of the air rifle vendors out in the world, you can buy .32 calibre and even .50 calibre air rifles. These have a suitable muzzle velocity to knock down most survival game and even a man with a correctly placed shot. Poor shot placement with any weapone means a pissed off target that you then have to expend more ammo if you intend to kill it instead of let it stay wounded. Example: Republic of Korea (the one in the south) does not permit its citizens to hunt with powder rifles but has a prolific hunting tradition with air rifles which are legal and effective. These weapons are also much quieter but not actually silent. For everyone else, I don't have a problem when you provide opinion, just make sure you present it as such. Or post your supporting source material so others can verify it or choose to acquire it if they feel it is to their advantage. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
31. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 10 2012, 9:30 PM EDT
"In response to the air rifle being ineffective comment above. Wow. Absolutely an uninformed comment. Many of the current common air rifles are .177 calibre which is inadequate for hunting medium/large game but the concept is solid. Lewis and Clark had air rifles with them when then crossed the continent becasue they knew that air was limitless but powder took up space and weight, and could get wet. You only need to carry your ammo to shoot. If you look at some of the air rifle vendors out in the world, you can buy .32 calibre and even .50 calibre air rifles.Now that you mention it, Lupine, you are quite right. Upon reading GunKata's suggestion of the Air Rifle, my mind naturally defaulted to the .177 caliber "toy" guns that you see in most department stores. If you have, or can get, one of the ones like you're talking about with a little more hutzpah, you should fare okay, though to be honest, while I knew of large caliber Air Rifles such as those used by Lewis and Clark, I had no idea that any were still available today. I see no shame in being corrected by someone who genuinely knows something that I do not, and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, so I stand corrected and offer my apologies. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jakob.stelzner |
32. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 11 2012, 2:34 AM EDT
My 2 cents from a quick youtube search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagCuGXJgUs [skip ahead to 2:25]. A problem mentioned in the video is that with the crossbow, you are about 3 times as inefficient as a longbow and twice as slow. The crossbow also seems slightly louder and is also a more complexly constructed weapon. Of course you will need a lot more training with the longbow before you become effective. I feel it would be a fun weapon to learn.
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Filadog |
33. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 11 2012, 6:43 AM EDT
". Lewis and Clark had air rifles with them when then crossed the continent becasue they knew that air was limitless but powder took up space and weight, and could get wet. "Actually they took ONE air rifle which Lewis bought with his own money befor they left and there was no mention in his journal that he ever used it to shoot any game.. The main guns they took and used were 15 1792 contract rifles and probably 15 of the 1795 .69 cal smoothbore musket. These saw the most use during the expedition though other personal guns were also brought . Clark had a 36 cal. squirrel rifle Lots of powder and lead was brought and Lewis devised 8 lb. lead containers that held 4 lb of powder which ssort of killed two birds with one stone Lewis air rifle was used mostly to impress the natives, when entering a village Lewis would put on a show of shooting it repeatedly which the natives couldn't understand since he didn't have to reload it like they were used to. BTW the airgun broke and had to have it's spring repaired by the blacksmith There has been some dispute as to what type of airgun it was with several claims out there but I don't think any conclusive evedence for any Yes today you can get speciatly air guns that are pretty high power , some get up to balistics of about what a powerful cartridge pistol is. These guns are pretty expensive and I have to wonder how dependable long term and how they would hold up to steady use. They strike me as being rather complicated and not easy to fix I buy and sell lots of airguns and more then not that I find are out of order much more so then cartridge guns I think for the price of one of these powerful modern airguns you could buy a couple of .22 rifles and a truck load of ammo for them , I think like Lewis & Clark I believe a Flintlock muzzleloader with a large stock pile of ammo would be a better choice for a general all around gun to use too 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
34. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 11 2012, 3:44 PM EDT
"Lots of powder and lead was brought and Lewis devised 8 lb. lead containers that held 4 lb of powder which sort of killed two birds with one stone."This bit is pretty brilliant actually. Do you find this valuable? |
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jackerz444 |
35. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 20 2012, 5:06 PM EDT
"Yes, but the Air Rifle is a generally useless weapon. It doesn't have power enough to take out a zombie, and most of them don't even have enough power to take rabbits or other small game."yes but it has the power to kneecap the zombie, therefore allowing time to escape 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
36. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 20 2012, 8:08 PM EDT
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"yes but it has the power to kneecap the zombie, therefore allowing time to escape"To tell the truth, if you mean the standard .177 caliber "toy" guns that you see in most department stores, I wouldn't count on them to accomplish even this much. Except in rare cases, I think a zombie would pretty much ignore a shot from one of these Air Rifles no matter where it hit them. Do you find this valuable? |
Sharpie41 |
37. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 20 2012, 10:34 PM EDT
"To tell the truth, if you mean the standard .177 caliber "toy" guns that you see in most department stores, I wouldn't count on them to accomplish even this much. Except in rare cases, I think a zombie would pretty much ignore a shot from one of these Air Rifles no matter where it hit them."Agreed, there isn't enough power or mass to wound a zed with a typical air rifle 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
jamesgoddam |
38. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 22 2012, 7:56 AM EDT
i would go with a recurve bow, i own one and if you have a good one they will last for ages, but good ones arent cheap mine is custom made and was 800 bucksbut if you want power and accuracy then go with a crossbow (compound with a sight) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
zedboy |
39. RE: which are better crossbows or re-curve/composit bow
May 22 2012, 3:33 PM EDT
thanx mate ive just done a beginners course and joined a club for the re-curve bow with my son. 800 bucks sounds good though ive been speaking to the members of the club and it seems the best ones are around £2000 or £1200 for an average one just shows how much were ripped off here thanx for the info though
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