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woody000555 |
how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 5:16 AM EDT
how many rounds should i carry for a mosin nagant?
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Sharpie41 |
1. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 8:35 AM EDT
The max you can comfortably carry.Heres what you do, pack your BOB with essential kit, food, water, shelter etc, then start loading ammo into it and stop when you can not walk with it on your back 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
ItsMrManCub |
2. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 8:42 AM EDT
I wonder how many rounds Simo Hayha carried on him...Check him out woody, he will be your mosin nagant hero! Do you find this valuable? |
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ItsMrManCub |
3. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 8:49 AM EDT
A little early morning reading for you.http://badassoftheweek.com/hayha.html 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
4. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 8:50 AM EDT
What are you doing? Bugging out? Going to war? Hunting? Securing the perimeter? Are you staying somewhere or going the nomad route? It all effects how much ammo you need, but you can't take more than what you can carry. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
shadowmancer |
5. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 9:35 AM EDT
at least 1 round.
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LJ126 |
6. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 10:49 AM EDT
If I were using my M38 carbine for bug out, I would carry 30 rounds on stripper clips and 40 rounds loose, in two of the surplus pouches that come with the rifles. 5 rounds loaded in the rifle, safety ON. I would also throw a box in a plastic bag and throw that in my BOB. That's 95 rounds total.It would be wise to buy a few different loads too. Military surplus is fine for fighting and target practice but get some softpoints too. These range in weights from 150 grains to 204 grains. There is match grade ammunition available (like that linked below) but I think this would be a waste unless you had an excellent condition ex-sniper or a Finn M28 or M39 rifle with a good mildot scope mounted and everything tuned, bedded, and tightened. While that would be awesome, it would also be kinda silly. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/963993/prvi-partizan-match-ammunition-762x54mm-rimmed-russian-182-full-metal-jacket-box-of-20 Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
7. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 12:48 PM EDT
"It would be wise to buy a few different loads too. Military surplus is fine for fighting and target practice but get some softpoints too. These range in weights from 150 grains to 204 grains. "Different weight bullets normaly shoot to different points of impact, sometimes they will be off by a lot from what the rifle was sighted in for. If you have your rifle sighted in for a 204 gr. heavy bullet and shoot a lighter 150 one out of it it could be off by half a foot or more at 100 yards easly I think. Of course some rifles just don't shoot some ammo very well either. If you are going to be carrying different types of ammo I would make sure to try it out in your rifle and see how it shoots. A gun like a Mosin that has sights that are hard to adjust you are not going to be changing them in the field really. If I was only going to carry 95 rounds I would just use a quality sporting soft point ammo, not only better for hunting but for defense as well Do you find this valuable? |
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AaronMullins |
8. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 12:59 PM EDT
"I wonder how many rounds Simo Hayha carried on him...i once read that he carried a standard load of ammo, 60 rounds, 4 pouches of three five round stripper clips, plus five rounds in his rifle. one author stated that he carried a 100 round canvas belt for a maxim machine gun. he is known to have carried both a rifle and an smg, so he probably didn't go out carry all the ammo he could find. he did most of his shooting with iron sights, the scopes of the era were prone to fogging up badly in the cold. he is also kind of a small person physically. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LJ126 |
9. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 1:56 PM EDT
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"If I was only going to carry 95 rounds I would just use a quality sporting soft point ammo, not only better for hunting but for defense as well"I don't know if I agree that soft points would necessarily be better for self-defense than surplus ball when we're talking full caliber rifle cartridges. A solid chest hit on an unarmored attacker is going to be a fight stopper with either bullet, unless they're wearing ballistic plates. In that case, the soft lead SP isn't going to penetrate anywhere near as well as a light steel-cored surplus bullet would. If I were shooting a cast iron engine block, I'd want that steel core. That's just me though. And 95 rounds is actually quite a bit of ammo to lug around with a bolt gun. You say it as if that's not a lot of ammunition. A typical US GI loadout in WWII was a M1923 belt holding 10 stripper clips (80 rounds) plus the 8 in their rifle - which was an inordinately large amount for an infantryman at that time. They might have grabbed another belt, but only if they were packed light and going into a fight. We're not doing that with our BOB's are we? That said, heavier bullets definitely have a different POI than the light ball surplus loads do - but the difference is only a few inches. The 203's will actually shoot HIGHER at 100 if the rifle is zeroed to 200 yards or MPBR than the lighter steel core stuff. The weight of the bullet makes practically no difference (gravity is constant) with regards to bullet drop, but the forward velocity does. The heavier bullet's slower velocity requires it to have more vertical correction to reach its POA at 200. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/20041231001thru5.pdf http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/20050312026thru30.pdf EDIT: Typo, add'l content, clarification. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LJ126 |
10. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 24 2012, 3:21 PM EDT
Now, I do agree with Fila on one thing, because it's absolutely true - some rifles prefer different ammunition over others. You need to know what your individual rifle likes. However, I don't think this matters as much if you're just using the iron sights as it would if your rifle has a scope on it, because the irons are less precise at distance than the variation one would typically see from one load to another.
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AaronMullins |
11. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 25 2012, 7:32 AM EDT
"Now, I do agree with Fila on one thing, because it's absolutely true - some rifles prefer different ammunition over others. You need to know what your individual rifle likes. However, I don't think this matters as much if you're just using the iron sights as it would if your rifle has a scope on it, because the irons are less precise at distance than the variation one would typically see from one load to another."one of the biggest problems with rifles mass produced for wartime use in the world wars was the need for urgent issue to field units. so production was often rushed causing the standards of performance to suffer. many surplus guns shoot amazingly well while others that are the exact same model will shoot poorly. it can be rather frustrating sometimes when you want a good shooting surplus rifle. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
12. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 25 2012, 1:09 PM EDT
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Indeed. Some just shoot like ass, regardless of what ammunition is put into it. The biggest limitation with these rifles (at least that I've found) is their sights --- they're clearly not intended for precision shooting. If you're shooting a 4"-5" group at 100 yards with those irons, you're doing a damn good job. Any less is pretty much miraculous with a Soviet Mosin. I have fired ~2" 100 yard groups on the irons of an Ex-PU, but that's not an everyday occurrence - I've done it ten times, tops.That said, the Finn rifles are a different breed altogether. In my opinion, the Finnish M39 is one of the best bolt action rifles of the era, competing favorably with the finest bolt rifles issued anywhere else. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM39.htm It's like a custom shop Mosin-Nagant. They took standard Soviet polygonal receivers, bolts, box magazines and triggers and fine tuned the living crap out of them. They slapped heavier Tikka, Sako, and Belgian-made barrels on 'em, then put put really good irons on them. The stocks are pretty good - fit and finish being on par with even the period Swiss Karabiners. To literally top it off, the FInns issued them with excellent bayonets. Occasionally, these M39's can even be purchased without any FFL, because the receiver used is an early Russian M91 receiver. If the receiver was manufactured before 1899, it qualifies as an antique arm, and does not need an FFL01 or C&R. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
13. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 25 2012, 3:11 PM EDT
Note to self, keep eye out for Finn Mosin
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shadowmancer |
14. RE: how much ammo should you carry?
Apr 25 2012, 4:55 PM EDT
| Post edited: Apr 25 2012, 4:57 PM EDT
"Indeed. Some just shoot like ass, regardless of what ammunition is put into it. The biggest limitation with these rifles (at least that I've found) is their sights --- they're clearly not intended for precision shooting. If you're shooting a 4"-5" group at 100 yards with those irons, you're doing a damn good job. Any less is pretty much miraculous with a Soviet Mosin. I have fired ~2" 100 yard groups on the irons of an Ex-PU, but that's not an everyday occurrence - I've done it ten times, tops.thanks for the info LJ126 i think i'll have to keep my eye out for one ! lol the fins make damn good vodka it naturally follows that they would make a damn good sounding gun. Do you find this valuable? |
