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Marsden	Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 24 2012, 10:41 PM EDT The world has been almost completely infected and all established governments have collapsed. The power vacuum has led to you creating your own society. Over the course of several months you clear out a small town, build up barricades and eventually have a small population of 150 survivors. As your town grew residents have started manufacturing their own alcoholic beverages. Others have started growing a range of drugs from marijuana to "magic" mushrooms. A few residents have started working to grow a poppy field outside of the town to produce opium. Over time massive amounts of firearms, ammunition and even some specialised melee weaponry like swords and axes have been stockpiled. Unfortunately due to a poor bureaucracy you have been unable to keep track of them and much of the weaponry is no longer in the communal storage. So, your tasks are as follows: Will you regulate who can consume alcohol? Will you regulate who can produce alcohol? Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Will you regulate who can use opium? Will you regulate who can produce opium? Will you regulate access to firearms and weapons? In answering these questions feel free to include details such as minimum ages for using various products. Enjoy, Marsden Post reply 29 out of 39 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Sharpie41	1. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 24 2012, 11:50 PM EDT Yes: You can consume over 15 and not "on the job", do NOT consume too much, you get drunk, you get on a work party No: Make it if you can Yes: Marijuana rules same as alcohol, and you need to be away from others. No mushrooms Yes: Only for personal use, you sell it to others, WORK PARTY!!! Yes: No one Yes: Trading or medicinal purposes only Yes: Everyone carries at least a sidearm, if they want. Most long guns will be locked up unless guard duty, can keep them in vehicle or home Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
brandon_a_boyer	2. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 24 2012, 11:55 PM EDT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CusvIwrkf8w watch the video before you decide to argue in favor of medicinal opium use. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
redcomrad	3. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 12:21 AM EDT Will you regulate who can consume alcohol? completely prohibited except for medical and practical(making paper, painkiller etc) reasons, Will you regulate who can produce alcohol? requires license to produce Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? completely prohibited except for medical and practical(making paper, etc) reasons, Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? requires license to produce Will you regulate who can use opium? completely prohibited except for medical and practical(making paper, etc) reasons, Will you regulate who can produce opium? requires license to produce Will you regulate access to firearms and weapons? Firearms only requires a license to own, buy, sell, and produce, otherwise unrestricted. Melee weapons are completely unrestricted. We will allow for open carry and concealed carry with fire arms as long as they have a license, Melee weapons will be allowed for both concealed and open carry and don't require a license. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Filadog	4. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:19 AM EDT "The world has been almost completely infected and all established governments have collapsed. The power vacuum has led to you creating your own society.....Will you regulate who can consume alcohol?" Scenarios like this are just nonsensical ...sort of like asking "if you could fly by flapping your arms where would you fly to?" because it is predisposing you will have a power that is very unlikely you will actually have Who exactly died and made you god over this community so that you can decide anything as to what people can or can't do? Why would they listen to what you want? Do you have a large group of "Police" to back you up and why are they going to listen to you Today alcohol is regulated. not because some king says so but because a a group of legislators have decided they want it and they have a group of people to catch you and enforce the law. There is also a large network set up to punish you if you don't obey the law In this mytical community if you tell somebody you have decided you are going to regulate alcohol [or what ever] why would they even listen to what you want? How would you have the power to put your will on others? Are you going have a large police force and a system to restrain and punish those that disobey?. Even if you fantasize that you are going to be some post apocalyptic King of the Waste Land with a large group of your enforcers how long befor people get tired of being told what to do like this ? I believe it would be many generations befor a community like this would even become a reality in the post apocalyptic world. I know it is a popular fantasy here of you being part of or the leader of some community like this but is probably a very unrealistic fantasy.......just not going to happen Post reply 7 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IamSlowRide	5. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:24 AM EDT " Scenarios like this are just nonsensical ...sort of like asking "if you could fly by flapping your arms where would you fly to?" because it is predisposing you will have a power that is very unlikely you will actually have Who exactly died and made you god over this community so that you can decide anything as to what people can or can't do? Why would they listen to what you want? Do you have a large group of "Police" to back you up and why are they going to listen to you Today alcohol is regulated. not because some king says so but because a a group of legislators have decided they want it and they have a group of people to catch you and enforce the law. There is also a large network set up to punish you if you don't obey the law In this mytical community if you tell somebody you have decided you are going to regulate alcohol [or what ever] why would they even listen to what you want? How would you have the power to put your will on others? Are you going have a large police force and a system to restrain and punish those that disobey?. Even if you fantasize that you are going to be some post apocalyptic King of the Waste Land with a large group of your enforcers how long befor people get tired of being told what to do like this ? I believe it would be many generations befor a community like this would even become a reality in the post apocalyptic world. I know it is a popular fantasy here of you being part of or the leader of some community like this but is probably a very unrealistic fantasy.......just not going to happen" What he said! Post reply 4 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	6. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 8:50 AM EDT It's a hypothetical scenario, partially for fun, partially to encourage debate about the viability of laws post Z-day. The scenario created an equal standard to avoid pernickety arguments. I have a detailed 1000 word version which details the makeup of the town, social cleavages, and more detail. However, I avoided posting it because I thought people wouldn't want so much detail preceding 7 relatively short questions. Honestly, I believe civilization will only need a year at most to form small towns again. The infrastructure and knowledge to do so already exists. If you are against the scenario element, then feel free to answer the questions outside the scenario. Make sure you let users know if you are answering them with no regard to the scenario though. Post reply 10 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	7. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 9:00 AM EDT This scenario predisposes no such fact. It is a hypothetical analysis of power, control and regulation. These are carried out on a daily basis by political scientists. Simply because you may never wield executive power is no just pretense for you calling the study of executive power nonsensical. If you are not the leader, then whether you like it or not, you will be affected by the leader's actions. I completely fail to see how studying this is nonsensical. This is not an experiment in the limitations of coercive power or inability to exert authority. It merely asked your stance upon theoretical regulations of various substances; compliance with your decisions are assumed to exist as the limits of your authority are not an independent variable here. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BigLoki	8. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 10:46 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 25 2012, 10:52 AM EDT Whether they "make sense" or not, I enjoy these scenarios. Not because I believe I will ever be in that position, but because it allows me a glimpse into other's morals, and ideas. Will you regulate who can consume alcohol?: Loosely, yes. Drinking age will be 16. Not because I believe that 16 is a developed age, but because given the surroundings, a 16 year old post apoc will need to be much more responsible, in my opinion, and has earned a drink. Will you regulate who can produce alcohol?: Yes. Any stills will need to be monitored for ingredients, clean conditions, alcohol volume, and safety. No good having some jackass poison everyone, or having people not be able to monitor their consumption (1 drink today = 5 next week due to differences in alcohol volume) Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Marijuana, 18+. Not during "working hours", same as alcohol, aside from age. Mushrooms will be prohibited though. Enough going on, without hallucinations being a pastime. Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Personal growth is fine. Trade of it is fine. I see no need to regulate that. Plants are plants, some better than others, but rarely if ever to the point of danger. Mushrooms, are a "no". Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BigLoki	9. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 10:49 AM EDT Will you regulate who can use opium?: Strictly medicinal. Will you regulate who can produce opium?: Small crop, maintained by medical staff. Will you regulate access to firearms and weapons?: As much as is possible. Given the situation, and the very nature of the world at that time, I see no reason to disarm the residents. Explosives, anything chemical, flame thrower-ish, ect. Will be maintained at an armory. The rest is fine to keep personal. If something pops off, I'd rather that people had ready access to their own, than wait to be armed. I realize that it allows for them to be used criminally, but if that were to happen, they would have used something else to perpetrate the crime anyway. With a group that size, I think it would be fairly easy to maintain a level of inclusion with regards to decisions affecting the group; as long as there is an understanding of someone having the final say. More like a babysitter, than a dictator, for lack of a better analogy. After surviving the friggin' apocalypse, I see no need for micro-management. As long as the basics are covered, they've earned their right to a bit of recreation. If that recreation ends up being a bit chemical, I see no need to ban those that I think can be safely regulated. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JunkCollector	10. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 11:54 AM EDT It's all good as long as I, as the boss get my cut of all of the action. Or my enforcers will kill you and take the entire enterprise for my own influence. As for the stock pile of weapons, I will sell or trade any thing for the right price. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The_Anomoly	11. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 1:01 PM EDT In this scenario, alcohol would be regulated to a certain point. I've seen people of the legal age abuse alcohol publicly resulting in their death. In a newly establishing society, and loss of life is an unacceptable loss. The "Pub" would be the only place, that those between the ages of 15 and 30 would be allowed to drink. Public intoxication outside of the "Pub" would not be tolerated. Those over the age of 30 would be allowed to purchase/obtain alcohol from the "Pub" for private functions. I would also have the ability for those between the ages of 18-30 to have "catered" parties where a bartender would be present to help prevent anyone from getting out of control. I would not want to have a strict control over alcohol, as experience will tell us people will revolt against it. I would however want to have a responsible adult in charge of handing out drinks to be able to tell someone if they have had enough. I'd try to keep it as unobtrusive as possible. Try to make it fun for those under 30 to drink at the "pub" where their consumption can be monitored, and make it seem as a privilege to have a "private bartender" for private events. so 15 minimum age to drink (only in pub where they can be monitored) 18+ can have private parties with a bartender to monitor consumption 30+ can have unmonitored access to alcohol. I would also make unauthorized production of alcohol a punishable offense, yet encourage people to produce alcohol for the bars, which would pay them in return. Hopefully this would help to discourage anyone producing in secret and could help to foster a entrepreneurial environment. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The_Anomoly	12. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 1:01 PM EDT The use and production of narcotics would not be strictly regulated, however, there would be certain areas in which people could grow and produce these communally. This would allow people to have more control of their choices to consume what they like. By zoning certain areas, we would be able to keep tabs on those producing and consuming narcotics. I wouldn't want anybody to have a totalitarian control over the society, but would like for the governing body to stay informed. Access to firearms would be fairly liberal. Anyone over the age of 15 would be allowed to own a firearm once they have gone through a training class. Only those over 18 would be able to obtain a firearm by themselves. If parents believe their 15yr old is responsible enough to obtain a firearm, then as such the rules should allow for that. If they do not feel so, then once the child reaches 18, the decision is their own. All firearms would be allowed as open carry only with very strict disciplines for partial or attempted concealment. In a small society, the citizens should not be the ones establishing law and order, as the judicating body should be the only source of law. I have no real experience in leadership other than a few managerial jobs. That being said this system makes sense to me, it would probably change depending upon circumstances, but this is probably the start point of establishing civil order in a new society. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	13. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 5:37 PM EDT Will you regulate who can consume alcohol? / Will you regulate who can produce alcohol? - I see no reason to allow comsumption or production. Any that we have picked up can be held for medical reasons, if needed, but excess should be disposed of. Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? / Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? As alcohol, but with zero use or zero production. Opium? Might have some use medically, but wouldn't really grow here. If it did, it would need to be closely controlled, as it has medical use, but also a long history of ruining people. Firearms and weapons should be in the hands of the people. A society of good people does not need vice and can be trusted with arms. If a society is not that, you should leave or change it. Hardwork, however, is a wonderful enducement to virtue. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Filadog	14. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:01 PM EDT OK..In a situration like this if I was the Emperor of the Waste Land and I had the magic power to make rules..and the power to enforce them this is what I would decree.... People could make alcohol, drugs etc. but only the govement [ thats me!] could sell or trade it. The producers get a 50% cut of what it goes for and I get the other 50. I figure out of my 50% I would give 25% to the "police" that work for me and who would enforce the law. First time a person is caught selling or using what they made instead of giving all thier production to the govement all their product gets confiscated. 2nd infractio and all gets confiscated and they get a public whipping. 3rd They loose everything they own and gets kicked out with only what they can carry [no weapons] As to weapons in the comunity other then my police no one are allowed to have any personal guns or other weapons.They can be trained in thier use but the weapons are kept in a locked central location and only checked out as for need. If community is attacked weapons are given out but then rounded up later. Hunters and others that may need a gun will be asigned one and a realistic amount of ammo which they will have to account for. When done they turn the gun and ammo back in and no ammo better be missing. Being caught with a contraband gun ,ammo or other weapon is a very serious offence, first time a public beating and half any property you own is confiscated. Second is banishment with only the clothing on your back, A person caught with a weapon that looks like they are up to no good, thinking about challenging the Goverment or even talking about it gets taken into custody and "disappears" I'd have a reward system set up also so that people could turn in others that broke the rules. I think these methods have a long history of working pretty well Post reply 2 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	15. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:05 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 25 2012, 8:36 PM EDT Yes: I do want to make sure only the older people can get alchohol. It may be younger than we have it now though. People will grow up fast so they may get independant much faster. Yes: If it is going into my people I want to know what exactly is going into them. Food poisoning is a *** and a half to work around. Yes: I doubt I'll have the power to excessivly regulate anything but I'm sure even the staunchest drug legalization advocate wouldn't object to making sure young people can't get them. In the case shrooms I have a strong dislike of hallucinogens especially when a mild level of alertness will be needed. Prohibited to the highest level of realistic ability (not much :P) Yes: People will smoke a lot of things to get high. I want to know what is being used and wether the land can be used for something better. In the case of shrooms no colony land will be used. Maybe have them be banne completely. A **** situation is hardly any better when you're hallucinating Yes: This is the one thing I won't budge on. Only for medical use and only for those cases where nothing else will do. Amputation being one such case. Yes: Very small crop with only the most trustworthy people tending them. For guns I'll do a seperate post. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	16. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:11 PM EDT A level of community trust would be needed for guns because a carrier would be a potential risk not just to themselves but for those around them. So there would be many chances for people to prove their ability and once proven small arms would be allowed to be carried with designated defenders being allowed rifles. No brandishing them unless your life is in direct personal danger. Breaking of this rule means disarming for a minimum of a month. All spare guns would be stored with multiple trustworthy people having access. I say this because I'm forseeing many ways for the stash to be cut off with only one or two people having access. So they would be regulated but the means of aquiring one would be numerous enough that you;d only ever need to steal one if you were not safe with one to begin with. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	17. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:24 PM EDT Fila: So basically you'd be a giant obnoxious douche of a dictator......remind me to never go to your society Post reply 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	18. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 6:28 PM EDT Will you regulate who can consume alcohol? In public settings, yes. No country has a law against private drinking anyway. Will you regulate who can produce alcohol? No, but I will regulate quality and sale of alcohol. Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Same as alcohol, but the places one can do that will be much more heavily regulated. Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? Quality controls, dangerous stuff resulting in a severe punishment. Will you regulate who can use opium? Yes, state designated places will be set up for all hard drugs, with users being marked with permanent ink upon entry. Will you regulate who can produce opium? Decentralised nationalised production Will you regulate access to firearms and weapons? The best weapons will be reserved for the military, with appropriate public procurement legislation for weapons taken from citizens. The less formidable stuff will have to be allowed in the short and medium term, though registration can happen. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
theman838	19. RE: Scenario-Regulation of Weapons, Drugs and Other Prohibited Substances. Apr 25 2012, 7:10 PM EDT Will you regulate who can consume alcohol? -Anyone can produce or consume. Selling to those under 18 is a no-no Will you regulate who can produce alcohol? -no Will you regulate who can consume the marijuana and magic mushrooms? -no sales to under 18 Will you regulate who can produce the marijuana and magic mushrooms? -no Will you regulate who can use opium? -no sales to under 18 Will you regulate who can produce opium? -no Will you regulate access to firearms and weapons? -no Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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