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Zee-Man |
20. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 3:28 PM EDT
I agree that spears will have a high incidence of resurgence. This, simply because they are much easier to make. Some designs do not even require forging. If in Zpoc, one can scavenge materials for very effective spears in a fraction of the time it takes to get materials for swords. The manufacturing time is a minutes as opposed to hours.1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
21. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 3:33 PM EDT
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"I agree that spears will have a high incidence of resurgence. This, simply because they are much easier to make. Some designs do not even require forging. If in Zpoc, one can scavenge materials for very effective spears in a fraction of the time it takes to get materials for swords. The manufacturing time is a minutes as opposed to hours.The best design I ever saw was a piece of pipe cut at a very acute angle. It took minutes with a abrasive cutoff saw. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Braydonn |
22. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 4:44 PM EDT
"The best design i Ever saw was a piece of pipe cut at a very acute angle. It took minutes with a abrasive cutoff saw."That reminds me of this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZI2rwsxo8U Pretty much the same dealio! You could put it on the end of a shaft to make a spear! Do you find this valuable? |
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Necromonger |
23. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 6:43 PM EDT
"This is where situational awareness and practicing your draw really pays off. Most concealed carry confrontations happen at that distance.Krav Maga specifically trains against knife attacks. It would still take a lot of time to get timing and reactions right. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
24. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 8:29 PM EDT
"Krav Maga specifically trains against knife attacks. It would still take a lot of time to get timing and reactions right."Yeah and most of the techniques rely on the attacker leading with the knife. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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oldannyboy37 |
25. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 26 2012, 11:30 PM EDT
Everything I could say about the knives as tools compared to weapons has already been said. I think that by the time you're deffending yourself with a knife in a situation you're probably already pretty well f***ed if they're armed with just about anything with more range (guns) or reach (larger melee weapons) than you. That said I'll still carry a knife that can pull double duty as a deffensive piece. On a side note; my dad always told me that using a knife in the reversed grip with the blade out of immediate sight was better for deffense than the conventional standard grip option. He's no martial arts expert, but the way he explained it makes sense. If they haven't noticed the knife in your hand yet you can move like you're going to throw a punch and when they try to counter like one would a punch it gives you the chance to mess up their arms oropen them up to a shot at their neck or chest. Do you find this valuable? |
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AaronMullins |
26. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 27 2012, 9:24 AM EDT
"Krav Maga specifically trains against knife attacks. It would still take a lot of time to get timing and reactions right."i am a WKMA cedrtidfied black belt krav magist. there is a lot of defend against this knife/gun/club/grenade/et ectera training in krav maga. there is also a lot trainnig in the use of improvised weapons, knives, and clubs. there isn't, for real practical reasons, a truly safe way to disarm someone who has a weapon. be it a blade or a pistol, disarms require a lot of risk and most people miss the point that when it comes time to disarm you dont simply walk into a situation where you can take someone's weapon away. top end training also includes scenario training so you can realize when such a situation presents itself. if you have to stop and think it through you are probably already way too late to do it. it is especially hard when you go through the scenario training and the other guy is moving as well, trying to get you before you get him, and you collide with each others' movements and intents. the organized elegance of martial arts is lost in that moment. the heat battle, i guess Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
27. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 27 2012, 9:53 AM EDT
"i am a WKMA cedrtidfied black belt krav magist. there is a lot of defend against this knife/gun/club/grenade/et ectera training in krav maga. there is also a lot trainnig in the use of improvised weapons, knives, and clubs. there isn't, for real practical reasons, a truly safe way to disarm someone who has a weapon. be it a blade or a pistol, disarms require a lot of risk and most people miss the point that when it comes time to disarm you dont simply walk into a situation where you can take someone's weapon away. top end training also includes scenario training so you can realize when such a situation presents itself. if you have to stop and think it through you are probably already way too late to do it.And see I still question the value of that training. I don't feel like you can truely emulate the murderous intent of a fight like that. You can use dummy knives, but there's always going to be some level of fear you're going to hurt your training partner. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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lupinedog |
28. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 29 2012, 8:18 PM EDT
Knife = tool. Weapons are tools. However, what is the purpose of that tool. Impact, cut, pry, dig, screw, cook, yada yada yada. Assume that you need a weapon, the need to use a knife shows taht you have already gotten too close to your attacker/target. You better be better with your weapon that they are.Now using current Zombie lore, there is the next question, can you afford to get cut. If the cause of zombieism is in fact a blood born disease, you are now infecting yourself. Realize that quite frequently, people that use knives in fights also suffer cuts. Many a criminal has gone down based on cuts received while stabbing their victims. You need to get a great knife for what your need is. You get what you pay for. If you expect it to save your life, what is your life worth? Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
29. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 29 2012, 8:34 PM EDT
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"And see I still question the value of that training. I don't feel like you can truely emulate the murderous intent of a fight like that. You can use dummy knives, but there's always going to be some level of fear you're going to hurt your training partner."Scenario training is less about learning to kill and more about honing reflexes IMO. You can learn where to stab someone to kill or maim. How to drop an opponent twice your size with kicks and pressure points. None of this instills the mindset required actually use these things. That's on you. However if you ever deem it necessary training won't be a barrier. It won't be "Oh I want to kill this guy but aside from some action movies I'm not sure how to do it." In the case of knives a little training is not a good thing. Any monkey can attack with a knife. Getting away with only superficial cuts? That's the trick. As for the fear of hurting someone I'm pretty sure dedicated instructors would get rid of that. Aside from some bumps and bruises and a few broken bones there isn't much to deal with on the mats. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
30. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 29 2012, 8:38 PM EDT
Knives aren't weapons to me, they're tools for cutting and building tasks.Do you find this valuable? |
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petranko |
31. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
Apr 29 2012, 9:08 PM EDT
for me knives are the king of the hill when it comes to weapons and tools they can be used for almost anything they are easy to use clean and kill with firearms you can only use to kill with but with a knive you can do almost anything there are throwing knives, machetes, bowie knives, swords, trench knives, daggers, bayonnets, and folders that can be used to start fires to hunt, build shelters, make tools, open things, the possibilites are limitless and screw last ditch weapon if used proparly they can take out a hord of those undead sons of bitchs a blade is possibly the most useful invention ever made
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otterswellsea |
32. RE: The Main Purpose of Knives
May 1 2012, 1:36 PM EDT
My thoughts on knives? Field- Ka-bar and other camp knifes, stout, sturdy and full of tang. Utility-Multi-tools, as long as it is name brand, the more tools the better. Carry-Folders, etc. that are easy to carry, legal and concealable. Kitchen-Fillet, boning, cleavers anything to make making food easier. Do you find this valuable? |