"I could argue this with case facts sharpie but since you are trying to convey a general message that I agree with I will leave you alone."

"for the simple sake of FYI, no argument intended ok.

the arm carries several large muscles on your body and is also the area of your most difficult and complex appendages (your fingers) meaning that you have a very large amount of nerves and arteries compacted into a small space. with a nearly half inch bullet placed around the shoulder area you would sever an artery, and severely damage if not destroy your entire peripheral nervous system along with a high chance of rupturing your brachial nerve complex.
in short you will shut down and bleed out.

I have argued the effectiveness of a .22 on the human skull many times on this thread and showed the pictures of it in my classes on PowerPoint so I'm not going to revisit that thread again as it was widely unpopular the first time.

Regardless of two dimensional research and boring facts you are still right Sharpie. one in the head is well worth two in the chest. "

"Not to offend anyone, but I think people need to stop being so fixated with Cooper. He came up with great firearms techniques, and some awesome philosophy, but some of his stuff IS a tad outdated (No offense to Cooper or his teachings)
A lot of what Cooper said and taught is still very relevant today, heck most of it is. However contrary to Cooper's opinion 9mm is a dandy self defense round, and while I still view it as underpowered the .223 is still a decent man stopping round. People need to under stand that Cooper was a product of his day, and in his day the M14 and the 1911 were the bread and butter of the classy shooter, and that modern ballistic technology wasn't where it is today where a 9mm can be pretty darn lethal (by handgun standards).


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"Say what you want about Cooper, though (and I don't disagree with you entirely), but here on this thread, we've got guys inspired by the scout concept to get a long range hunting rifle on one hand, and bull-pup assault rifles on the other! Which means that he must have been onto *something*! :)

As for the .223, every Australian Vietnam (probably a half dozen or so over the years) vet I've spoken to is quite derisive of the 5.56, as they were using (essentially) FN FAL's in 7.62 back then. It's an old guy thing, I think - but interestingly our troops are now getting back into 7.62 battle rifles for the extra range in Afghanistan (for our Designated Marksman Rifle, SR-25's & HK417 IIRC). I think there's a clearly a case for both in modern combat - or we'd be converting to 7.62 en masse.
Edit: ommission of name."

"That's cool Soldat. I'd love to see pics, that sounds like a pretty sweet rig. What mount did you use for that Hendsolt optic?"

"i will get some pics up when i get back stateside. it's a fun rifle to shoot. but it really isnt that accurate. i think it is my fault. when i orderede the barrel i got the specs i wrong. i mounted the barrel, and i think that is why it only shoots about 2 to 2.5 moa. even with a great barrel. the mount for the scope came from an L42 i think, it came with the original rifle. which actuallly shot better i think. oh, well, it was one of my first homebuilt projects."

"My leg was shattered, from the kneecap down to my ankle. It depends on the person as well Sharpie, it is not so simple to just say your going to switch hands and carry on the fight. Your also forgetting the fact that the .45 was not meant to just be shrugged off, it was developed to put people down. If I nail you with a 165 grain JHP in the shoulder or arm, do you really think your not going to try to stop the bleeding and apply pressure with your free arm? Or at least attempt to preform first aid on upon your self? If you try to carry on the fight with your non dominant hand how accurate and useful do you really think you will be? "

"Not to mention the cost of of switching calibers for the US Armed forces as a whole... That would be billions of dollars down the drain to replace the 5.56."

"It happend serving Uncle Suger, when I was 20 Sharpie. All I can say is God Bless Kevlar because I should have been dead or at the least more crippled then I am now. You might also expire or also be unable to find medical attention before the fight is over. "

"Holy shît, I turn 20 in less than a month, I can't imagine being wounded like that.

True, my point is people could still get up and fight with a .45 to the arm"