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xxSynnerxx |
60. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 4:49 PM EDT
True, but a 30 round extended mag makes a glock, and most any other pistol for that matter, look like festering baboon ass... at least in my opinion. LOL.Well, looking cool is definitely top priority when trying to stay alive lol. And besides, while a round that will break bones and body structure would certainly be more effective, it will only perform that function if you hit bones and body structure. Those bones, if the bullet only passes through muscle and tissue, will remain unscathed. I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but whether I'm firing while standing still, running forward, backing up or standing on my head, I am just as likely to be able to hit a skull as an internal bone that I can't see. Well, I usually aim center mass. Lots of things to break in the chest cavity, I assumed it went without saying, but you're more likely to miss the head altogether rather than the torso, either way, I assume we can agree that a 30 round mag in ANY weapon is not going to translate to 30 kills either way, and I still think swapping a mag isn't really that much of a downside. Oh, and yeah, Canada laws can suck. I hope the tards in this country don't decide to give up their rights. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sharpie41 |
61. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 9:54 PM EDT
Canadians aren't "tards" that decided to give up our rights, we are victims that had our rights restricted.And the magazine issue is this, imagine trying to holster a Glock with a 33 round mag in it............ From what we know of movies and video games you need to hit a zombie in the head to kill it, body shots will not do anything. Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
62. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 10:50 PM EDT
"Canadians aren't "tards" that decided to give up our rights, we are victims that had our rights restricted.First of all. I never said the Canadians were tards. The tards are here, turn on the news and see it. Secondly, your glock comes with 2 15 rd mags, never said carry it around with the 30 rd in, that would be insane. 3rdly, whatever you know about zombies from the movies, let me educate you on the human body: A broken leg isn't just a name of a thing, it's a leg that is actually broken, as in doesn't work, a person having a broken leg, whether alive or dead isn't going to be coming after you quickly. Structural damage is going to have an effect, whether it kills the zombie or not, it's going to have problems doing much to you when its body's superstructure is severley damaged, broken ribs, shoulders, spines, etc are still going to have an effect. And frankly, as far as Canadians being victims, aren't you a democracy, how can you be a victim of something you are supposed to have control over? So the people that restricted you are the same government I always hear Canadians talking is so much better than America's? I mean if you want to be all butt hurt about something, at least you get that great free health care right? Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
63. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 10:54 PM EDT
Sharpie, Synner....Take it to PMs or get a vacation. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
64. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 11:17 PM EDT
"First of all. I never said the Canadians were tards. The tards are here, turn on the news and see it. Secondly, your glock comes with 2 15 rd mags, never said carry it around with the 30 rd in, that would be insane. 3rdly, whatever you know about zombies from the movies, let me educate you on the human body: A broken leg isn't just a name of a thing, it's a leg that is actually broken, as in doesn't work, a person having a broken leg, whether alive or dead isn't going to be coming after you quickly. Structural damage is going to have an effect, whether it kills the zombie or not, it's going to have problems doing much to you when its body's superstructure is severley damaged, broken ribs, shoulders, spines, etc are still going to have an effect.Sorry, I misunderstood. My Glock came with 3 10 rounders. My main goal (after running the other way) is to kill the zed, Unless it is a rager I'm only going to use 1 if I can, if it is a rager, pelvis then head. Ribs and shoulders will not have a real effect on a zombie, a femur is quite a bit smaller than the head, ie harder to hit, a spine shot may do damage but they can still crawl. Yup, we are, we elect government officials that can change the laws if they have a majority government. And currently our government is relaxing the laws. Our healthcare isn't free, only dumbass kids that don't pay anything say that, but, we do have equality when it comes to health care, the worst cases go first, not who has the most money. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
65. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 28 2012, 11:57 PM EDT
"either way, I assume we can agree that a 30 round mag in ANY weapon is not going to translate to 30 kills either way, and I still think swapping a mag isn't really that much of a downside."Oh I quite agree, 30 rounds will not necessarily equate to thirty kills no matter the weapon, and swapping a mag isn't really a downside, but you would hypothetically have to swap mags three times to fire sixty rounds out of a 15 round glock (assuming that you started with a full mag in the gun). I would only have to swap my 30 round mag once to fire the same sixty rounds. Now I know that having to fire sixty rounds within the context of a single gunfight is unlikely, but in an outbreak scenario where you could be attacked by a horde, it's not impossible. In an worst-case-situation engagement against massive numbers of zeds, less mag changes is better, is all I'm trying to say. Now yes, you can carry your glock holstered with a 15, then swap to the 30 after the 15 is empty, but still, having a weapon that can be holstered with a 30 rounder already in place can't be a bad thing. Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
66. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 12:11 AM EDT
What I was trying to get some folks to realize, is that while a .22 should definitely be in anyone's arsenal, its use as a defensive/offensive weapon is not ideal. the op was saying that the Henry survival rifle is the perfect zombie gun, and though I admit I may have misread his intentions, it seemed he was implying it was a great "one and only" type solution. my opinion is that a weapon along the lines of the mossberg 500 is a far better choice as your only weapon due to its incredible versatility. as far as the glocks go, I already have those, and given the interchangeably of mags and ammo; a carbine would be a great addition if you had a glock 9. personally, I would like to upgrade to something bigger, like a .45. you can get a silencer, and the larger round will do more structural damage. a .22, while nominally economical, and being able to provide much utility as a small game gun, just won't cut it on zombies. the rounds are only going to help you for a head shot, which is hard to do, especially under stress and the physiological effects of being in a survival situation. a lot of people look at it with the wrong mindset, I think. in a true get out of dodge situation, you're going to just be trying to get away from them. trying to kill em all is only going to allow time for more to show up. I plan to be attempting to escape, while turning to fire when I can, and if one goes down from a crushed pelvis, that's good enough for me. same with a crushed shoulder; it cant grab me, a broken spine, it will most likely drop and not be able to catch up.I currently have about a third of the guns id absolutely want with me, and not nearly all the ones I want to own: glock 19 and 26, Sig 226 in 9mm; a mosin nagant. m44 with folding bayonet in the mighty (and cheap) 7.62*54r; a mossberg persuader in 12 gauge, and a sears roebuck clone of the Martin 30-30, a ak74 (my wife's) with only 1000rds. need much more, and a .22 Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
67. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 12:17 AM EDT
My next few acquisitions will probably be a 20gauge for my wife, and I'd really like a Lexington 700 in .308, but I'll maybe try for a m1a1, because I got a special place for the m14 in my heart.oh and we triage here too. money has nothing to do with health care. I've never been or known anyone to be denied treatment. the manipulators like to throw around statistics about uninsured here to garner votes, but a wise man once said: "there's 3 types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics". Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
68. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 12:19 AM EDT
"Oh I quite agree, 30 rounds will not necessarily equate to thirty kills no matter the weapon, and swapping a mag isn't really a downside, but you would hypothetically have to swap mags three times to fire sixty rounds out of a 15 round glock (assuming that you started with a full mag in the gun). I would only have to swap my 30 round mag once to fire the same sixty rounds. Now I know that having to fire sixty rounds within the context of a single gunfight is unlikely, but in an outbreak scenario where you could be attacked by a horde, it's not impossible. In an worst-case-situation engagement against massive numbers of zeds, less mag changes is better, is all I'm trying to say.True, but if your 30 rounds are not effective; you'll really be wishing you'd have packed a .45 lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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KeithB1982 |
69. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 9:41 AM EDT
"Remember, though, that this same popularity could turn out to be a disadvantage rather than an advantage. While it's true that it is more commonly available, being in use by both military and law enforcement, that also means that it will be among the most commonly sought out After the SHTF. Everybody and their uncle is going to be packing a 9mm, and once their own supply runs out, everybody and their uncle is going to be looking for the same 9mm rounds to feed it that you'll be looking for."That would mean that a .22 would be useless, since it is the most popular caliber out there. I'm not buying the train of thought. In most apoc events you are going to see a huge decline in population. Any popular ammo is going to be a good caliber to be looking for when the number of people decrease, Do you find this valuable? |
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KeithB1982 |
70. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 9:48 AM EDT
"Actually I was talking power.Ammo pricing is extremely variable in different locales. A nearby Dunham's routinely runs 9mm on sale for around $10 a box. Ammo for my .22 WMR is never on sale, and $10 a box is the cheapest I can find it for locally, wish I could find it for $7 a box here. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
71. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 10:21 AM EDT
"True, but if your 30 rounds are not effective; you'll really be wishing you'd have packed a .45 lol."Maybe so, but everything I've seen or read has indicated that a .22, especially a .22mag, WOULD be effective. Not at shattering pelvises or crushing shoulders, perhaps, but certainly for penetrating skulls. Now I'm not discounting the fact that headshots will be difficult under stress and the physiological effects of being in a survival situation, I'm just not convinced that anything else will be effective. Again, I can't speak for the original poster, but I only plan to use the .22 as a sidearm not a rifle, and even then it will be a .22mag instead of a .22LR. So at pistol distances (ie - across the room distances, which is all I'd feel comfortable using a pistol for anyway, regardless of the caliber) I'd be too close to feel safe going for anything other than kill shots, and at that distance a .22mag will inflict kill shots just fine. I also agree that running rather than shooting will usually be the better option, and given that I will be protecting my wife and children, it is definitely how we will be handling most engagements. Given the nature of an outbreak scenario, though, combat will happen occasionally whether we like it or not, and I also agree that for most of that combat a .22 of any sort is NOT what I'd use. As a one and only gun, I think you'd be a fool to trust your life to such a weapon, but in certain situations the .22 will be effective, and I believe that headshots at pistol distances is one of those situations. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
72. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 10:27 AM EDT
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"That would mean that a .22 would be useless, since it is the most popular caliber out there. I'm not buying the train of thought."True, but the .22 is around (in stores, in peoples homes, in their vehicles, on their corpses, whatever) in numbers that are whole orders of magnitude greater than you generally see for any other caliber. It is the most popular caliber out there, for sure, and many people will be looking for it as I said, but there will be a LOT more of it for them to find too. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
73. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
"That would mean that a .22 would be useless, since it is the most popular caliber out there. I'm not buying the train of thought.Yes but it's easy to stock up on, I have about 1000 rounds of 9mm...try 4000-5000 .22 bought for much less. I'm pretty sure most gun owners will have a vast amount of .22, much more than any other calibre. Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
74. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 3:36 PM EDT
"True, but the .22 is around (in stores, in peoples homes, in their vehicles, on their corpses, whatever) in numbers that are whole orders of magnitude greater than you generally see for any other caliber. It is the most popular caliber out there, for sure, and many people will be looking for it as I said, but there will be a LOT more of it for them to find too.""I'm pretty sure most gun owners will have a vast amount of .22, much more than any other calibre." If you are looting corpses, I think you'll find that 9mm, .45, .38 are far more common carry rounds than .22. In any event, I'm not buying my weapons based on what I might scrounge off of someone else. I am buying mine based on what's cheap for me to stockpile: 12 gauge, .22, 9mm, 5.54, and 7.62x54r. I can buy thousands of rounds for those weapons, and not spend a lot, thereby insuring my own stockpiles won't run out for a very long time. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
75. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 4:02 PM EDT
""I'm pretty sure most gun owners will have a vast amount of .22, much more than any other calibre."I said that above, you could buy tens of thousands of .22 rounds for the same price as 1000 9mm. Do you find this valuable? |
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xxSynnerxx |
76. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 5:39 PM EDT
"I said that above, you could buy tens of thousands of .22 rounds for the same price as 1000 9mm. "True, but a .22 wouldn't be for much more than killing rabbits, birds, and squirrels. I'd never use it to defend, to many "just right" circumstances have to happen to be lethal. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
77. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 7:02 PM EDT
"True, but a .22 wouldn't be for much more than killing rabbits, birds, and squirrels. I'd never use it to defend, to many "just right" circumstances have to happen to be lethal."I would expect a .22 to perform fine against zombies out to 100 meters or less. And that's the range I'd expect zombie combat to occur Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
78. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 8:28 PM EDT
"If you are looting corpses, I think you'll find that 9mm, .45, .38 are far more common carry rounds than .22."Only until those rounds are gone, then once nobody can find them anymore, those thousands of rounds of .22 will start looking pretty damn good... for defense and everything else. Do you find this valuable? |
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Oakspar77777 |
79. RE: A realistic solution to a "Zombie Gun".
May 29 2012, 8:28 PM EDT
You might find a great deal of .22LR on corpses - because most people walking around with one would have a few hundered rounds, and anyone cought up to and made a corpse likely would not have had time to shoot through many of those. Someone packing a 9mm might have had the time to burn through the 50-100 rounds they have on hand for their "nightstand gun."As for the 30 round 9mm mag - remember that they are slower to load and more prone to problems (that is -thankfully- what messed up the Arizona shooter - a high cap 9mm mag sticking). You would want to be very confident that the extended mag ejects and loads quickly and cleanly. Of course, I agree that you will find plenty of handgun rounds on dead guys - because anyone relying on a handgun as primary will likely meet a quick trip through a vulture's gullet. Do you find this valuable? |