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Role of Tweens in Survival
May 31 2012, 4:18 PM EDT
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Don't ask about the title if it's still Oh Crap. Okay, so let's go -what would be a 12 or 13 year old's role in Z-Day? My backup plan, if my parents turn or are killed, I'm taking my assumedly still alive brother and either A) Proceeding to my safe location or B) Finding my older brothers and continuing by ourselves. Is this a realistic mindset? Could I really pull this off?
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White76Knight |
1. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 2 2012, 12:00 AM EDT
"Don't ask about the title if it's still Oh Crap. Okay, so let's go -what would be a 12 or 13 year old's role in Z-Day? My backup plan, if my parents turn or are killed, I'm taking my assumedly still alive brother and either A) Proceeding to my safe location or B) Finding my older brothers and continuing by ourselves. Is this a realistic mindset? Could I really pull this off? "I notice that your account has been suspended on the grounds that you are an underage user according to the wiki terms of service, but just in case you find your way back here to look for responses, I'll reply anyway. I think that your likelihood of survival will be measured the same as anyone elses. To whit, should the worst happen and you find your parents dead and yourself either alone or with your brother, what supplies do you have available that will see you safely to your destination. Have you made preparations for food? Water? Clothing appropriate to the climate and time of year? Shelter, in case you are caught outside overnight while on the move? Weapons, if permitted by the laws of the jurisdiction where you live? Presuming that you have not already done so, your best bet is to prepare a Bug Out Bag (aka BOB) for yourself, and preferably another for your brother as well. This is a backpack filled with some basic supplies, which have been chosen to suit your own particular situation. If you don't know where to start, this page should point you in the right direction: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Bug+Out+Bags+%28INDEX%29 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 2 2012, 4:44 PM EDT
I am 13 almost 14 and my whole plan I made in the mid-set that I am alone. I have made a second copy and included my family this time lol. I would try to contact any friends or family that are still alive, and if that didn't work, I would go it alone. I am a loner now so it wouldn't be that different. If I found another group, I would spy and see if they are friendly enough to let me join. I wouldn't ask for food (possibly weapons), just shelter. I suggest reading the "Forest of Hands and Teeth" series. They are about teens surviving in an apocalyptic world.
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White76Knight |
3. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 3 2012, 11:24 AM EDT
"I suggest reading the "Forest of Hands and Teeth" series. They are about teens surviving in an apocalyptic world. "That sounds like something my oldest daughter might be interested in. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 6 2012, 11:35 PM EDT
I am 16 years old and I am always training with swords, knifes, guns, hand to hand combat, and my bow. I have an excellent plan for surviving, and what I have to say about trying to be with your parents is that you should always go and be with someone else that also knows how to survive, whether or not those people are your parents, and if they are not then I would say I hope your not to connected to your family because youll be dead if you stay with people that dont know how to survive. That is why I have selected a handfull of people close to where I live to survive with me and sadly they are not my parents:(
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White76Knight |
5. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 7 2012, 9:04 AM EDT
"I am 16 years old and I am always training with swords, knifes, guns, hand to hand combat, and my bow. I have an excellent plan for surviving."Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of your training? I only ask because you say that you constantly train with a very broad assortment of weaponry, which is good, but it seems to be an unusual amount of training to have been done by someone your age. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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VENDETTA_27 |
6. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 7 2012, 5:48 PM EDT
I study history alot and whenever I find a weapon that I think would be cool to say, "I know how to use that", I start to practice with it. Since I study alot I therefore use alot of weapons.
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White76Knight |
7. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 8 2012, 3:38 AM EDT
"I study history alot and whenever I find a weapon that I think would be cool to say, "I know how to use that", I start to practice with it. Since I study alot I therefore use alot of weapons."Yes, but what are you calling practice? For instance, swinging that weapon around by yourself in the backyard does not constitute training. Before you can practice with a weapon, you have to learn the fundamentals of it's use. You have to learn at least the basics from someone who knows what they're doing, someone who can correct you if you're doing it wrong. They say that "practice makes perfect", but that isn't really true. It would be more accurate to say that "practice makes permanent". Practice only makes perfect if you were doing it right in the first place. Otherwise, your "practice" will just consist of training your muscle memory to do it wrong, ingraining mistakes and bad form until any attempt to use that weapon in a combat situation is likely to get you killed. Now, if you have gone out and sought a qualified instructor or a venue wherein you can be taught the basics of each of these weapons, then great. Feel free to disregard everything else I've said in this post. If not, though, then it might be something to think about. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 8 2012, 10:16 AM EDT
"http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dd4zOVa2KEro&v=d4zOVa2KEro&gl=US Theres probably hundreds of other instructional videos. Not saying it replaces a teacher but beats nothing right? Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 8 2012, 11:36 AM EDT
"I notice that your account has been suspended on the grounds that you are an underage user according to the wiki terms of service, "i love that rule. too bad it seems he was the first humble kid in a long while Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
10. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 9 2012, 2:00 AM EDT
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"http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dd4zOVa2KEro&v=d4zOVa2KEro&gl=USI'm sorry, but no, learning from videos such as these could, in some cases, actually be worse than nothing. This is precisely the kind of thing I'm talking about. Yes, there are loads and loads of these videos and others like them, but there are two problems with that approach: First, without having any experience of your own to base it on, you have little way of knowing whether the people in the videos know what they're doing. Learning from them may be a crap shoot, because you can't tell whether they're qualified or whether they're just pulling the techniques demonstrated out of their ass. Second, and perhaps more likely, even if the videos are made by experts and professionals, without someone watching you to correct your mistakes, you can't always be sure that you're doing it right. You may THINK you're doing the same as whats in the video, but if you aren't then you have nobody to tell you otherwise. Then you get back to what I was talking about before, about your practice just ingraining mistakes and bad form. Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 21 2012, 12:35 PM EDT
"I'm sorry, but no, learning from videos such as these could, in some cases, actually be worse than nothing. This is precisely the kind of thing I'm talking about. Yes, there are loads and loads of these videos and others like them, but there are two problems with that approach:I cannot stress enough how true this is. I took fencing lessons for a while (I still suck) and the form was awkward, unnatural, and stiff. My back and ass hurt /so/ bad after the first week or so, but after a while, my form got better and better. (I still suck) But I would suck more if I hadn't learrned from someone who knew what they were doing. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
12. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 12:44 AM EDT
"I cannot stress enough how true this is. I took fencing lessons for a while (I still suck) and the form was awkward, unnatural, and stiff. My back and ass hurt /so/ bad after the first week or so, but after a while, my form got better and better. (I still suck) But I would suck more if I hadn't learrned from someone who knew what they were doing."My point precisely. When I first took up medieval style combat I was told to practice my basic strikes in front of a mirror, but I couldn't even do that much until I had somebody demonstrate IN PERSON the correct way to do those strikes. Otherwise, even watching myself in the mirror, I'd have had no way of knowing whether the moves were looking the way they were supposed to look. Same principle applies here. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 1:19 AM EDT
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"My point precisely. When I first took up medieval style combat I was told to practice my basic strikes in front of a mirror, but I couldn't even do that much until I had somebody demonstrate IN PERSON the correct way to do those strikes. Otherwise, even watching myself in the mirror, I'd have had no way of knowing whether the moves were looking the way they were supposed to look. Same principle applies here."This is all true hands down. However, NOT being proactive is worse than doing it wrong because you are doing nothing. If I had to wait for a qualified instructor every time I wanted to learn something, I'd be useless. I wouldn't call what he is doing training per se, but it is getting his feet in the water and building confidence (too much is bad, but to little is just as bad). Looking at what he is "training" in; Swords-Centrifical force, basics in striking distance, recovery. Knives-Striking distance, footwork, grip positions Guns-Marksmanship, shot recovery, point of aim. H2H-Striking distance, grapples, footwork. Bow-Effects of wind, upper body strength, marksmanship. These get learned quickly, even by someone that has no formal teaching though it is HIGHLY recommended that they get it. Was in the same boat as he was growing up and now, well I'm no Special Forces god or epic fighter, but I've picked up and incorperated a few things that makes me confident that I'm more than your average Joe. Keep learning, keep practicing and keep and open mind V27. Edit: Spelling. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
14. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 1:30 PM EDT
"These get learned quickly, even by someone that has no formal teaching though it is HIGHLY recommended that they get it.I'm not suggesting that he should do nothing, or that there's nothing that he CAN do, but there comes a point when you HAVE to have your exercises checked by someone who knows what they're doing. For instance, the things that you've picked up and incorporated, how do you really know that you're doing them right or that they'd be effective in a real fight situation? Now I'm not saying that you're NOT doing them right, maybe you are and if so then good for you, but I don't think you can really know for sure unless a qualified person has confirmed it. I was in the same boat as well, and there wasn't a whole lot of formal training in much of any topic available to me, and most of what was available wasn't affordable, but "qualified person" and "formal instruction" don't always have to mean the same thing. (Cont'd) Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 1:31 PM EDT
Ask around your community, chances are that there's SOMEBODY who knows what you want to learn and who is willing to either teach it to you or oversee you while you learn it on your own. When I asked the guy at my local weekly practices to demonstrate the moves that I had been told to do in front of the mirror, it took all of five minutes of his time to watch me run through them moves and correct a few points of my technique. Then when I worked in front of the mirror I knew that I was doing it right, but just to be sure I ran through them again with him at the next weeks practice to make sure my technique hadn't slipped in some way that I hadn't noticed. Again, five minutes of his time was all it took to make sure I was on the right path. I wouldn't call that extensive formal training by any means.It is all well and good to say that training in swordsmanship is only learning the basics of centrifugal force, striking distance and recovery, but unless you have had someone teach you those basics, or at least competently demonstrate them, how will you really learn how centrifugal force applies to a blow, or how to make best use of striking distance, or how to recover from a successful blow (or even more importantly) from an unsuccessful one? I'm just saying that learning it ENTIRELY on your own, or even from youtube videos, isn't the best way to go. Sure use the youtube videos if its all you've got, but at least find someone else who can watch the videos from a competent point of view and verify that they are indeed useful and properly performed techniques. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 1:48 PM EDT
"I'm just saying that learning it ENTIRELY on your own, or even from youtube videos, isn't the best way to go. Sure use the youtube videos if its all you've got, but at least find someone else who can watch the videos from a competent point of view and verify that they are indeed useful and properly performed techniques."Oh I agree. At some point, you need someone that knows better than you, but it seemed like you were suggesting that only serious qualified training matters and just in general, like you were trying to burst the kids bubble. Yes you need someone to teach you the basics and correct you, but you first have to have the want and urge to pick up the weapon and at least try it out. Training costs money that a lot of people don't have so sometimes you have to do what you can. For example, My gf was a fencer in high school for 2 years. I thought, "Sounds like fun, let me price out everything and see if we can do it together." I calculated the basic cost for just the gear would be about $1,000USD. That's before finding an instructor and working it in around the work, school schedule. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
17. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 23 2012, 10:01 PM EDT
"For example, My gf was a fencer in high school for 2 years. I thought, "Sounds like fun, let me price out everything and see if we can do it together." I calculated the basic cost for just the gear would be about $1,000USD. That's before finding an instructor and working it in around the work, school schedule."Yikes. Or you could get involved in an organization like the SCA and get your feet wet in the fencing lists for free. All you need to provide for yourself starting off is an athletic cup, they can fit you out with loaner gear for everything else. Then after a few sessions, once you decide whether or not fencing is for you, you can accumulate your own gear a piece or two at a time rather than dropping over a grand to get it all at once. Plus, in the SCA the training is free. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 24 2012, 12:49 AM EDT
"Yikes. Or you could get involved in an organization like the SCA and get your feet wet in the fencing lists for free. All you need to provide for yourself starting off is an athletic cup, they can fit you out with loaner gear for everything else. Then after a few sessions, once you decide whether or not fencing is for you, you can accumulate your own gear a piece or two at a time rather than dropping over a grand to get it all at once.That is pretty cool. Hopefully they have something for a 6'5" guy and a 5'11" woman lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
19. RE: Role of Tweens in Survival
Jun 24 2012, 12:38 PM EDT
"That is pretty cool. Hopefully they have something for a 6'5" guy and a 5'11" woman lol."LOL - Oh, you're a right giant of a guy then? Well you never know, they might have something that they can fit you into. Do you find this valuable? |