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Greenball35
Teamwork
Jun 5 2012, 8:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2012, 1:52 PM EDT
I have already organized a team of friends to plan against the zombie invasion and outbreak. I'm the Leader because im the one who has all the skills, brains, speed, will, compromising, tactics and plans. i will do anything i can to kill all the zombies and stop the outbreak, i will also do anything i can to keep my team safe and healthy. They follow my orders out of respect, not fear. Do you think I deserve to be the Leader of my team? 4  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    

JustTryingToSurvive
1. RE: Teamwork
Jun 5 2012, 8:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 5 2012, 8:52 PM EDT
You could be qualified to lead your group but you should probably learn more about leadership, planning, resource management, etc. Do a google search on a few of the skills I listed and any others you think would be necessary. It is always a good thing to learn something useful. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
DevilNuts
DevilNuts
2. RE: Teamwork
Jun 5 2012, 10:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 5 2012, 10:08 PM EDT
Leadership is not about what you "deserve." It is about competence.

I'm not omniscient, but judging *purely* from your sentence structure and years of near-flawless intuition, I would venture a guess that you still have some things to work on.
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Zee-Man
Zee-Man
3. RE: Teamwork
Jun 5 2012, 10:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 5 2012, 10:45 PM EDT
I have always felt that in a Zpoc the "leader" would have the best management skills. That means being able to understand the needs of the group, how to distribute resources, decide where effort must be applied, ex tetera (sic). Knowledge both generalized and specialized of how to obtain and provide the essentials of living, the basic luxuries, improved energy, et cetera will be the trademarks of a good leader.

Leadership is not a position of power. It is a position of responsibility. To be a leader means being the person with whom the buck stops. Can you live with the potential death of any member of your team? Your decisions will very likely mean the difference between not only your own life or death, but also the life and death of each member of your team. When their bellies are empty, their eyes will be turned to their leader.

Leaders are interested in the details. They are not happy with even small things like not using spell check. A leader is not willing to get by on convenient usage of cliche. Anyone who lists examples of intended bravado as qualification is not likely a good candidate for leadership.
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=jesse=
=jesse=
4. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 1:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 1:34 AM EDT
Knowing a bunch of facts doesn't make you deserve to be a leader. There is a story about Henry Ford being tested by a bunch of academics. For each question Ford just called in an employee for the answer. When they challenged him and said they proved his ignorance, he said "I don't know the answers because I do not need to clutter my head with the answers you seek. I hire smart young people from your schools who have memorized information that you think is intelligence. My job is to keep my head clear of such clutter and trivial facts so that I can think." 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
shadowmancer
shadowmancer
5. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 2:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 2:10 AM EDT
You can't know until your in a possition to test it out. Anyone can delude themselves into believing they would be a good leader. As Jesse said it takes more than a pile of facts, those facts may get in your way. Leadership isn't raw data, raw data is useless without knowing how to use the information and what factors would be arse rapingly stupid to consider because they would be impossible variables. You can do everything right, by the book and without errors and still loose. Life is more than a simple equation. Since you had to ask the answer is no, you wouldn't be.

Side note men like Paton knew how to use the men under him correctly, he did not know everything. He let the planners fill in the void. He was able to adavance at such an alarming rate durring ww2 because he ordered that two different sets of plans made BEFORE he was ordered to attack. When he got his orders, 2 words set his men in motion "play ball".
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
6. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 7:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 7:54 AM EDT
"I have always felt that in a Zpoc the "leader" would have the best management skills. That means being able to understand the needs of the group, how to distribute resources, decide where effort must be applied, ex tetera (sic). Knowledge both generalized and specialized of how to obtain and provide the essentials of living, the basic luxuries, improved energy, et cetera will be the trademarks of a good leader."
This is only half of leadership... the other half is being able to take a group of strangers and turn what YOU want into what THEY want (and then sit back and watch them do it).

--->--->---> Effective leadership is NOT about people working for you; rather, it is about you working for your people - making sure they have what they need (skill, will and teamwork) to get the job done.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
7. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 9:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 9:45 AM EDT
If you're looking for leadership skills, these dudes know what they're doing.

http://youtu.be/PinGDCDwUCk
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LJ126
LJ126
8. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 10:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 10:44 AM EDT
I think that there's no one clean-cut answer for what (or who) an ideal leader would be.

If I had to sum up what a good leader is in one word, I would say "versatile" or "flexible." Different situations require different approaches, different employees require different leadership styles from their management. The leadership approach that works for an Marine in combat probably isn't going to work well for a medical student in surgical training, and neither approach would be appropriate to lead a couple of day laborers. There is no best leader for every situation.

In my experience, a good leader leads by example. Confidence, experience, knowledge, planning, and attention to details are vital traits or characteristics required. A good leader invests their efforts in keeping those under their lead capable of doing their job by providing them what they need to do it to the best of their ability. A good leader knows his team well, and knows how to get and keep them motivated, and does it.
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Greenball35
9. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 11:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 11:58 AM EDT
"You could be qualified to lead your group but you should probably learn more about leadership, planning, resource management, etc. Do a google search on a few of the skills I listed and any others you think would be necessary. It is always a good thing to learn something useful."
I'm always researching, i'll find out more about those skills.
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Greenball35
10. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 11:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 11:59 AM EDT
"Leadership is not about what you "deserve." It is about competence.

I'm not omniscient, but judging *purely* from your sentence structure and years of near-flawless intuition, I would venture a guess that you still have some things to work on. "
I'll work on them.
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Greenball35
11. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 12:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 12:01 PM EDT
"I have always felt that in a Zpoc the "leader" would have the best management skills. That means being able to understand the needs of the group, how to distribute resources, decide where effort must be applied, ex tetera (sic). Knowledge both generalized and specialized of how to obtain and provide the essentials of living, the basic luxuries, improved energy, et cetera will be the trademarks of a good leader.

Leadership is not a position of power. It is a position of responsibility. To be a leader means being the person with whom the buck stops. Can you live with the potential death of any member of your team? Your decisions will very likely mean the difference between not only your own life or death, but also the life and death of each member of your team. When their bellies are empty, their eyes will be turned to their leader.

Leaders are interested in the details. They are not happy with even small things like not using spell check. A leader is not willing to get by on convenient usage of cliche. Anyone who lists examples of intended bravado as qualification is not likely a good candidate for leadership.
"
I'll work on that stuff, thanks for the opinion, I thought your's was the most helpful.
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Greenball35
12. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 12:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 12:03 PM EDT
"Knowing a bunch of facts doesn't make you deserve to be a leader. There is a story about Henry Ford being tested by a bunch of academics. For each question Ford just called in an employee for the answer. When they challenged him and said they proved his ignorance, he said "I don't know the answers because I do not need to clutter my head with the answers you seek. I hire smart young people from your schools who have memorized information that you think is intelligence. My job is to keep my head clear of such clutter and trivial facts so that I can think.""
Ok, I'll work on things that don't involve facts.
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Greenball35
13. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 12:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 12:05 PM EDT
"You can't know until your in a possition to test it out. Anyone can delude themselves into believing they would be a good leader. As Jesse said it takes more than a pile of facts, those facts may get in your way. Leadership isn't raw data, raw data is useless without knowing how to use the information and what factors would be arse rapingly stupid to consider because they would be impossible variables. You can do everything right, by the book and without errors and still loose. Life is more than a simple equation. Since you had to ask the answer is no, you wouldn't be.

Side note men like Paton knew how to use the men under him correctly, he did not know everything. He let the planners fill in the void. He was able to adavance at such an alarming rate durring ww2 because he ordered that two different sets of plans made BEFORE he was ordered to attack. When he got his orders, 2 words set his men in motion "play ball"."
I'll work on that, and just so you know, out of the people in my team, I would be the best leader, even they agree.
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Greenball35
14. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 12:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
"This is only half of leadership... the other half is being able to take a group of strangers and turn what YOU want into what THEY want (and then sit back and watch them do it).

--->--->---> Effective leadership is NOT about people working for you; rather, it is about you working for your people - making sure they have what they need (skill, will and teamwork) to get the job done."
I'll work on that.
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Greenball35
15. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 12:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 12:08 PM EDT
"I think that there's no one clean-cut answer for what (or who) an ideal leader would be.

If I had to sum up what a good leader is in one word, I would say "versatile" or "flexible." Different situations require different approaches, different employees require different leadership styles from their management. The leadership approach that works for an Marine in combat probably isn't going to work well for a medical student in surgical training, and neither approach would be appropriate to lead a couple of day laborers. There is no best leader for every situation.

In my experience, a good leader leads by example. Confidence, experience, knowledge, planning, and attention to details are vital traits or characteristics required. A good leader invests their efforts in keeping those under their lead capable of doing their job by providing them what they need to do it to the best of their ability. A good leader knows his team well, and knows how to get and keep them motivated, and does it."
I'll work on those.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
16. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 1:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 1:44 PM EDT
Leaders. Pssssht.

It's the foundation that makes a house strong.

Pull one card from the top of a house of cards and what happens? Not much. What happens when you pull a card from the bottom? The house often falls down.

A leader that doesn't respect the views and opinions of his men or believes himself "smarter" because he's the boss is a fool. Often times he's the leader because nobody else wanted the job.

Most of the time the leader is just a puppet to the smarter man. Just ask Dick Cheney.
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AlphaOneFour
AlphaOneFour
17. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 4:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 4:57 PM EDT
A leader has to have a few good qualities, namely:
-The ability to listen and to weigh arguments against each other
-Objectivity; being able to "step back" even if personally involved
-The ability to make the right choice over the easy option
-The ability to judge character well
-The will to carry out sanctions, even against friends
-A willingness to muck in when necessary, and when not
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redcomrad
redcomrad
18. RE: Teamwork
Jun 6 2012, 8:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2012, 8:57 PM EDT
if this guy is considered among his grup to be the most qualified to be leader i wonder what his troopers are like....

3 different approaches to being a leader depending on circumstances one may be better than the other.

Fear: put them don into submission and make it so that they are too afraid to oppose you but may or may not backfire on you so be very careful. Stalin is a good example of this.

Love: make it so that your people just unconditionally love you and think your are the best, may also backfire for some might see you as weak and also to keep people loving you it is a very difficult task and is easy too lose if you disappoint your Troopers.

Respect: Mixture of both fear and love, is by far the best form in my and others personal opinion drawback is it is difficult to earn but in the end if you do earn it then your troops will follow you to the ends of the earth if you play it right.
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AlphaOneFour
AlphaOneFour
19. RE: Teamwork
Jun 7 2012, 5:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2012, 5:52 AM EDT
"3 different approaches to being a leader depending on circumstances one may be better than the other."
Fear works best as a way to get people to work for you. If a man fears you, he will carry out his orders in fear of punishment. If a man loves or respects you, he will view his deeds as favours to you rather than orders he has been given, and will refuse to carry out his orders as he does not feel obligated to do it.

However, if you're in a difficult situation where your subordinates have a choice between leaving you to certain death and saving you at risk to themselves, the fear-ruled will be extremely unlikely to help, wheras the respect/love group will be more likely to try to help you.
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