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shadowmancer |
40. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 8 2012, 11:07 PM EDT
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It is possible that we lost quite a bit more than sustainability when we switched to cooked food and agriculture. It resulted in actual biological changes. Cellulose is broken down by heat so the ability to process the apendix became redundant and we can’t digest cellulose in its raw form. Vitamin C cannot be synthesised as the structure of our liver and our kidneys is different from those of lower mammals and Lizards. Lower mammals produce Vitamin C in the liver while most birds and lizards produce it in the kidneys. We'd need to dissect creatures that died out long ago to know for sure.I know that I have contradicted myself in giving three possible places for synthesis and differnt time frames. This is because Vitamin C is produced in different areas in different species. Unless we find a hominid which produces Vitamin C or learn a lot more about genetic engineering we can’t really know which line of thought is correct. It is possible where the Vitamin is synthesized in an animal could be determined by their diet. It is also theorized the loss of the ability to produce vitamin C is what allowed us and other animals in the declining Empire of Apes to become the dominant animal group in the world. Vitamin C is used in the production of collagen and the chemicals used to synthesize it such as lipids and glucose is used in brain development. Sorry for the bio lecture, but it is another common mistake people make mixing up theory with fact. Some things in life we'll always be guessing at because the direct evidence is lost. Do you find this valuable? |
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wantmarmite |
41. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 8 2012, 11:20 PM EDT
"It isn't, so long as the water is clean. Remember, the closer the ground water is to the surface, the less natural filtering it undergoes. There are plenty of swamps where any hole will fill - but that doesn't make the water safe.A lot of fresh water in my area. Some distance north of cities, it's probably safe to drink, but I'd play safe and clean it. I'd feel a bit silly north of Muskoka carrying numerous containers of water in an apocalypse. Seems reasonable for camping, but even then I bring stuff to clean local water in case I run out of bottled. Do you know if the people you see not storing plenty of water live in an area that doesn't have a lot of water? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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shadowmancer |
42. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 12:39 AM EDT
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If they're talking about doomsday preppers people, one was in a arid area in texas...... I don't need to store much but I still keep enought for awhile 3 months drinking just in case I'm cut off from the spring at home. I'm planning on digging a well at the bol but its surrounded by water so it is not high on my todo list. It's better to not need it and have it just in case.
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White76Knight |
43. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 2:20 AM EDT
"on average 4 weeks if you consume it regularly as your body stores vitamin C to a limited degree. Don't go over loading on vitamin C either because well some kidney stones can be caused by an overload of Vitamin C"Cool, thanks. Do you find this valuable? |
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redcomrad |
44. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 8:24 PM EDT
"No you can't produce our own Vitamin C we do not possess the enzyme, The L-gulonolactone oxidase, required for biosynthesis. The required raw materials are sourced by cats for example through their consumption of brain matter. It is why when cats catch mice for example they eat the mice head firstThat's what I said humans and a couple other animals cant produce vitamin C but other animals can and you are able to get Vitamin C by eating their livers. So in fact you can get Vitamin C by hunting, just remember to eat the animals organs especially the liver. Animal organs are extremely healthy and nutritious, I find it stupid that people only eat the muscle and waste such healthy meat. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BigLoki |
45. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 9:59 PM EDT
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Vitamin C is pretty easy to obtain in all parts of the world. Aside from animal sources, and the obvious like citrus, there are several other sources.-Pine needles, or pine tips (small ends of the branches): You can chew them, don't swallow, only chew for a while. Also they can be boiled into a tea... both taste like hell in my opinion, but they will get you vitamins A and C. Plus your breath will smell like Pine-Sol...haha - Nearly any berry contains some amounts, they vary, and the availability of them is subject to climate, and region. - Any pepper type contains vitamin C along with tomatoes. - Celery, Parsley, Potatoes, Avocados... most fruits and vegetables contain at least trace amounts. - Dandelions can be eaten much the same as any salad green, and are fairly high in Vitamin C - The "weed" commonly known as Queen Anne's Lace is edible. The root is actually, to clarify, if you eat the blooms, your stomach will cramp up, but the root is nearly like a carrot. Also it is rumored to be a contraceptive... not that I'd trust it. - "Japanese knotweed" you can eat it, it's tough, and chewy... but edible, and contains some vitamin C - Pulsane which grows under nearly every tree in North America... is edible, but tastes like hell, and contains Vitamin C I'm sure there are many, many more sources, but those are ones that I remember right now. It's really not hard to come by unless you are in the frozen tundra. Because even there, there are pine trees, I can say with some confidence that no matter where you are, you can find some... 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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NotAlice |
46. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 10:12 PM EDT
"... just remember to eat the animals organs especially the liver. Animal organs are extremely healthy and nutritious, I find it stupid that people only eat the muscle and waste such healthy meat."Can't speak for other parts of the country, but deer up here in Minnesota are quite prone to have liver flukes and other internal parasites. Since cooking destroys vitamin C... I'll stick with pine needle tea, thank you! Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
47. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 10:18 PM EDT
"I'm sure there are many, many more sources, but those are ones that I remember right now. It's really not hard to come by unless you are in the frozen tundra. Because even there, there are pine trees, I can say with some confidence that no matter where you are, you can find some... "Cool. Thanks for the info Loki. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
48. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 10:20 PM EDT
"Can't speak for other parts of the country, but deer up here in Minnesota are quite prone to have liver flukes and other internal parasites. Since cooking destroys vitamin C... I'll stick with pine needle tea, thank you!"True, the liver is the one part of an animal that I've most often heard NOT to eat. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
49. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 10:31 PM EDT
"True, the liver is the one part of an animal that I've most often heard NOT to eat."It's pretty safe to eat organs from livestock, but not so much with wild game. The opportunity for parasites is ridiculously high, in my mind, not worth the risk for a negligible nutritional benefit. Especially in a scenario where modern healthcare is unavailable. Cooking kills some parasites, but also kills off many of the added benefits to eating the organs vs. the muscle meat. In the spirit of not wasting the animal, I can understand cooking and eating some of the organs, heart, and that... but I will likely still skip it from wild game. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
50. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 11:18 PM EDT
"It's pretty safe to eat organs from livestock, but not so much with wild game. The opportunity for parasites is ridiculously high, in my mind, not worth the risk for a negligible nutritional benefit. Especially in a scenario where modern healthcare is unavailable. Cooking kills some parasites, but also kills off many of the added benefits to eating the organs vs. the muscle meat. In the spirit of not wasting the animal, I can understand cooking and eating some of the organs, heart, and that... but I will likely still skip it from wild game."Organ meats can also be used as bait to trap and snare still more animals. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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shadowmancer |
51. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 11:22 PM EDT
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gout is contracted from consumption of organ meat. Organ don't contain Vitamin C in more than trace amounts it merely produces the homormone which produces Vitmin C in the digestive tract. It is not a jug. It is like how E.Coli in the human large intestine is used in the production of the K2 vitamin. It is perminatly in the large intesting within 40 hours of birth. E.coli does not store the vitamin it makes it as a biproduct of its function and eating e.coli is a bad thing. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
52. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 11:30 PM EDT
"gout is contracted from consumption of organ meat. "Squirrels too, I've heard. 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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womule2005 |
53. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 9 2012, 11:58 PM EDT
here are some big mistakes preppers make- buying too many guns. you can only shoot one at a time. be smart and buy 1 or 2 guns to fit your needs and train with them. dont need 30 different guns. - focusing on guns more than food(or not prioritizing preps properly). let me ask you a question. how many times have you needed a gun to stay alive? how many times have you had to eat to stay alive? the answer for the second is "everyday" for all of us. so logically food preps should have a higher priority than guns. buy a gun or two and then spend spend spend on food preps. - not testing their preps. it never hurts to throw the main on your house for an hour and walk around with pencil and paper to find out what you will do without. also it never hurts to have a Bug Out Camp Out. take your BOB into the woods somewhere and live out of it for 3 days. take notes and see where it is weak and where it is strong. i did this and invented ways of making my BOB lighter. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
54. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 1:14 AM EDT
"here are some big mistakes preppers makeDo you have a hobby? In my family shooting, hunting, collecting guns, and fixing/customizing guns is our biggest hobby. Plus we are bugging in with invited and uninvited family/friends. Not all own guns or will be able to retrieve theirs when it goes south. On top of that we can survive right now as everything is. Now yes we can use lots of more gear and goodies. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
55. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 1:23 AM EDT
"Do you have a hobby? In my family shooting, hunting, collecting guns, and fixing/customizing guns is our biggest hobby.Fair enough, but you and your family are probably not pursuing your hobbies of shooting, hunting and collecting guns to the exclusion of other necessities. You recognize that your guns will be a PART of your survival plan, but only a part, and you have probably made suitable preparations for the other requirements as well, whether measured in food, drinking water, medical supplies, or anything else that you might need. There are those, however, who have a survival plan that extends no further than amassing a stockpile of guns and ammo of sufficient size to hold the entire Chinese Army at bay. Food, shelter, medicines and other supplies are only tacked onto the plan as an afterthought at best, if they are considered at all. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
56. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 1:41 AM EDT
"Fair enough, but you and your family are probably not pursuing your hobbies of shooting, hunting and collecting guns to the exclusion of other necessities. You recognize that your guns will be a PART of your survival plan, but only a part, and you have probably made suitable preparations for the other requirements as well, whether measured in food, drinking water, medical supplies, or anything else that you might need.You are completely correct. And I have met preppers that all they do is prep. And most have no other life. And the ones with kids usually have made them hate prepping because life isn't fun anymore. 90% of us will NEVER use our prep in a crisis. But we only live once. To me my prep is just another insurance policy. But again like the water. It's a situational thing. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Oakspar77777 |
57. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 9:18 AM EDT
Not doing the MATH. (1) Stockpiling based on emotion, rather than data, to create weirdly unbalanced stockpiles. 500lbs of rice and 5000 rounds of .22LR. Seems balanced - but a family of four will eat 500lbs of rice in 6 months if it is the primary staple, while 5000 rounds is five rounds a day for three years (far more than you are likely to need to shoot post-apoc). (2) Stockpiling some of the more difficult things to stockpile and missing the easiest. Dental floss, hand soap, towels, etc. How much would it really cost to go and get a 30 year supply of dental floss? How much storage would it take? Answer: $114.87 and two Target bags (with the floss still in the original packaging). Hand soap? $197.45 and a copy paper box. Towels? $450 and two Rubbermade totes (the kind they sell cheap at Halloween or Christmas for decoration storage). (3) Basing their plan on what they will do instead of what they have already done - thinking that a plan is a goal, rather than a set of steps to be improved upon. My goals are sustainability so deep my grandchildren could die of old age in it. My plan starts having holes towards the end of year 3. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
58. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 10:59 AM EDT
"Squirrels too, I've heard. "That is correct sir. Shell fish and wild game are full of purines. Take it from a guy who had a gout attack. It's extremely painful and can take your mobility away. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
59. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 10 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
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"That is correct sir.I don't have a lot of experience with gout personally. My brother has suffered from it quite a few times as well as some friends. To my understanding, it's a build up of uric acid in the system (been wrong before, I apologize if this is inaccurate.) It has been suggested that my love of beer may be the reason I am not prone to this condition. (There's is already a high uric acid amount in my system, that gout if brought on by a sudden change in levels, rather than the amount of uric acid in a person's system.) That said, some things that have worked to remedy the condition within a couple days: - Apple cider vinegar, about 4-5 tablespoons in a cup of water, like 2 times a day. Tastes like hell obviously, but I have seen it end a flare with my own eyes in just a couple days. - Black cherries. I understand availability may be an issue, but if you have access, eat a good bit of them, about a cup, works better in conjunction with the apple cider thing. Without the cider, it seems that they take a long time, with it, you should see positive results the same day. *If the apple cider vinegar gives you heartburn, or acid reflux (many prone to gout, are also prone to these) put a couple teaspoons of baking soda in the vinegar water, mix it up, let it settle, and down it like a horrible shot... because it will be horrible, but shouldn't trouble you. Hope this helps. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |