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TreeLegs |
80. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 12:46 AM EDT
"What are you talking about, I like it =P"Boil pine needles and drink the broth. Loaded with Vit-C. Do you find this valuable? |
wantmarmite |
81. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 12:48 AM EDT
"All this talk of getting your vitamin C out of the forest has me scratching my head. The lowly potato has a good amount of vitamin C and a tomato 'aint no slouch either. We'll survive without oranges ya know and resorting to making tea outa pine needles would have to be last resort scenario for me."Assuming we grew enough during the short growing season up here to sustain us until the next growing season. Do you find this valuable? |
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wantmarmite |
82. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 1:03 AM EDT
"I've got another one.My ground floor apartment with giant windows on a busy street, doesn't seem like a good spot to fortify to me. I might hold out anyway if there were more people. But I figure I can get on the road pretty fast with a BOB and just one person. I'd prefer to take my chances right away and see if I can get out of the city before the back roads are blocked to my car. I think people may be more desperate and scary on foot in an urban center if I wait a week than the first 30 minutes. Do you find this valuable? |
randomknife666 |
83. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 1:12 AM EDT
"Boil pine needles and drink the broth. Loaded with Vit-C. "I know. Is it strange that I actually prefer drinking that to drinking straight water... Do you find this valuable? |
White76Knight |
84. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:33 AM EDT
"With oral hygiene, there were methods before toothpaste. I'm in no way suggesting that I don't use toothpaste, or am against it...hahaha... I'm just sayin'. In the spirit of multi-tasking, baking soda makes a replacement for toothpaste. It also will scrub pots, aid with heartburn, and a host of other things.I agree. It's just another one of those cases where the modern mindset leads us to assume, incorrectly, that we are in all ways superior to our historical forefathers. Just because they didn't have the same things that we have, doesn't mean that they were all ignorant savages. In fact, most of the things that we take for granted today are based on their discoveries. Do you find this valuable? |
shadowmancer |
85. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 3:24 AM EDT
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A common mistake preppers make is that the assume that the whole eddible part of a plant tastes the same and will taste the same durring the entire year.Spruce needle tea is nummy if made correctly, has lots of vitamin C. Brewed yellow pine tea is also quite tastey if you use the correct part of the plant. The unpleasent taste is the protective waxy buildup on the needles. additional fun info: A sugar substitute, god I have a sweet tooth, which can grow anywhere almost is Stevia (sweet leaf). The powdered dried leaves can be used without refinement or it can be refined into a more pure form. Stevia is up to 300 times the sweetness of sugar lol so you need only a little tiny bit and it is mildly antibacterial so it can be used as a mouthwash. It's been used for over 40 years without problems in countries outside North America such as Japan. There are reports of use for over 1500 years with no ill effects in its native South America but since it is anecdotal it is not real hard data. For those of you who care about such things it is also zero calorie lol. Personally I use the raw leaf powder, I just like the taste. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
jamesgoddam |
86. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 6:56 AM EDT
the assumption that having a huge amount of firepower will solve everything, and im not saying that having a huge amount of firepower wil not solve some things but a gun is LOUD, this will attract unwanted attention.and the keeping of all weapons is needed if you have a gun it needs cleaning, if you have a knife you at least need a rag thats it from me. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Frag-12 |
87. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 10:09 AM EDT
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"Definitely. The crash position really is the most ideal way of dealing with a crash landing. It's not unlike the way a motorcycle racer rides; it's probably one of the safest ways to sit. Straight spine."In addition, sit in the rear section of the plane because it usually breaks off during the most horrific of crash landings and statistically most of the survivors were in the tail section. The front section receives the most punishment during the crash and the wings can ignite and possibly explode with jet fuel. If the engines are attach to the tail section, they usually detach during crashes. Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
88. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 10:33 AM EDT
"the assumption that having a huge amount of firepower will solve everything, and im not saying that having a huge amount of firepower wil not solve some things but a gun is LOUD, this will attract unwanted attention."But... I thought the proper application of explosives and lead solved any problems XD. Just kidding. Do you find this valuable? |
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Frag-12 |
89. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
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1. Not having enough resources of basic needs (even Maslow if you prefer).2. Poor strategy 3. Unrealistic tests or training, or poor training 4. Overconfidence, over sized egos and vice versa (not enough confidence or ego). 5. Single sources of basic needs with no back-ups, local and abroad. 6. Does not listen well to constructive criticism from like minded individuals and then verifies validity of criticism with research from more than one source and/or taking in account the experience of the critiquer. 7. Naive of the real world. 8. Under preparation – includes lack of knowledge, skills, and goods 9. Under estimation of potential friend, foe, or weapons deployed. Ancient weapons still kill, maim, burn, and breach defenses it was designed to breach. 10. Grouping up with like minded individuals or accepting one’s differences (aka compromise). Better if done before SHTF but still not impossible during/after, just strained. 11. Open minded to and researching new ideas, thinking outside of the box. A protected battery of ancient weapons can still be quite formidable and even disable a tank if the tank commander under estimates the weapons deployed for whatever reason or is caught by surprise. 12. Relying on a plan or group of plans. If the plan(s) fails or partially fails will it effect your survival because of demoralization and can you adapt to failure or partial failure? 13. Too grandiose of preparations, not keeping it simple and within your means. (Yes, I am working on fixing that myself... ) 14. Self-checking preparations and validity of ideas. Of course, over confidence hampers this. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
=jesse= |
90. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 12:49 PM EDT
One I learned this weekend...not having a good belt. Don't forget the simple stuff. This past weekend, I did a lot of shooting. A holstered pistol hanging on one side, 2 magazines in a pouch hanging on the back, and a leg pouch for ak mags on the other side reeeally stretched out my belt. Pretty tough to run when your pants are dropping. Do you find this valuable? |
sibic |
91. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:03 PM EDT
12. Relying on a plan or group of plans. If the plan(s) fails or partially fails will it effect your survival because of demoralization and can you adapt to failure or partial failure?Moltke's Theory of War. "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy" might be true of shtf as well Do you find this valuable? |
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Frag-12 |
92. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:04 PM EDT
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"12. Relying on a plan or group of plans. If the plan(s) fails or partially fails will it effect your survival because of demoralization and can you adapt to failure or partial failure?The enemy is more than just the zombie or human. Nature is both your enemy and your friend. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
SteelRain |
93. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:20 PM EDT
Allow me to retort."In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." - Dwight Eisenhower The failure in relying on plans is typically the why of the plan. Planning breeds preparedness. A good plan explains the impact of the plan's goals in specific, clear, and measurable objectives. Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
94. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:24 PM EDT
Single sources for seeds, limiting the genetic variablity of crops increasing the likelyhood of crop failure.
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Frag-12 |
95. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:50 PM EDT
"Allow me to retort.Then what happens to you if the plan fails? What will you do? Do you find this valuable? |
BigLoki |
96. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:51 PM EDT
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I think that boils down to what you consider to be a plan. If you have every detail planned, and have no contingency planned in the event of a failure, then yes, your plan is likely useless. (ie: I'm going to take my 4x4 through the back fields to the woodline about 8 miles out. Truck is compromised, and you have no way to transport everything you felt you needed if on foot, or other means... rest of the plan is shot.)My plan is more a series of goals, with a well thought out idea of how to obtain them. It's fluid. Many, will say this is wrong, and that's fine; it's more a matter of semantics to me anyway. There are many on here that have very well thought out plans, that will likely crumble at the first bout of failure from one component or another. There are still others with very well thought out plans, and a back up for nearly every possible scenario. I think that those that are prone to adapt quickly will do better than those that analyze slowly. Just an opinion, I could be completely off base, but I am still here to be argued with, and many a plan I have been a part of has failed. To that end I think that dependence on others is a POSSIBLE mistake made by preppers. - "my brother has ___ and ____, so it will be us doing _____"... what if your brother got his face bit off before the problem was "real"? There are so many problems that we could list, and in all honesty, the weaknesses are individual. Some are staying, some are going, we each have different resources available to us. For example, one "weakness" that has been cited repeatedly is a lack of water storage. I plan to bug out, I can't carry that much with me, BUT I have clean drinking sources literally everywhere around me on my way through, and a means of filtering it, so is that really a weakness? Another one is not enough food, how much would I be able to carry in place of other things? Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
97. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 2:51 PM EDT
Guns? Is my lack of guns at the moment really hindering my survival? I don't think it does. It makes things a bit more difficult, but not without benefit. If I hunt with my bow, I raise little to no risk of alerting anyone/anything to my location. Benefit. I can still set traps, allowing me to do other things while still "hunting". I have other skills that allow me to move past this obstacle. I think at the very core of it, "Top Mistakes Preppers Make" is this: Lack of real applied skills. -If I know from a book what plants I can eat, and have never put it to test, how can I be sure? Maybe what is "safe" to eat, I am allergic to? Maybe the plant isn't what I thought it was, because I was going off of a picture of something that looked similar. - If I saw a video of a guy building a quick "lean to" shelter, why do I think I can reasonably do it with little to know practice under no duress, when the guy in the video made it look so easy... as he videoed his 300th lean to? - I watch medical documentaries, so I'm going to rely on this suture kit that I've never used. - I don;t know how to read a compass, but I'm going to carry it anyway in hopes of figuring it out. - I have Jdi's survival database on a thumbdrive, so all that knowledge is at my finger tips. -Ect. Nobody is prepared, only in one state or another of preparing. Prepared means you are finished. Nobody is. If I have learned how to go without everything, then now it's time to turn my attention to not having to (ie. engineering, how does that windmill work, can I make that into a mill too? If that radio I depend on for a hope of communication stops working, can I fix it? Wouldn't it be nice if I could repair that ventilation fan if it ever went out? The list is nearly endless. Do you find this valuable? |
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SteelRain |
98. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 3:12 PM EDT
"Then what happens to you if the plan fails? What will you do?Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. I accomplish the goals laid out in the plan anyways. That is what I meant. A good plan lays out the goals of the mission in specific, clear, measurable objectives. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
99. RE: Top Mistakes Preppers Make.
Jun 11 2012, 3:13 PM EDT
"In addition, sit in the rear section of the plane because it usually breaks off during the most horrific of crash landings and statistically most of the survivors were in the tail section. The front section receives the most punishment during the crash and the wings can ignite and possibly explode with jet fuel. If the engines are attach to the tail section, they usually detach during crashes.I've heard this. Isn't it funny how first class is in the front of the plane? You'd think that the hoity toity rich folks who pay extra for luxury and decadence would insist that their section be located in the safest part of the plane. Do you find this valuable? |
