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NotAlice	Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 9 2012, 11:52 PM EDT I'm curious about what PERSONAL adaptions people on the wiki are considering making for their religious practices postApoc. I've been thinking about the topic lately and realizing that I will need to adapt to conditions where I can't just sit down in the forest and meditate - unless I aspire to be zombie chow! As a practicing volva, I do a fair amount of what, for lack of a better term, is called shamanic journeying. This entails deep meditation which means I will not be alert. Normally, I can do this just about anywhere, preferably by myself; post Apoc, I will need to get others to guard me while I am journeying. That is going to be weird! I will need to develop a different relationship with the group I'm in. May have to swap out guard time and/ or spend more time journeying for group members. Other practices are less affected, rituals can be done within walls or even indoors. Tho, outside is best under the stars. Fortunately, the rites don't require special props or costumes. Will the advent of the ZomPoc have an impact on YOUR religious traditional practices? Remember, these are YOUR adaptions, not somebody else's. The mods will be watching! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: ideas issues logos mottos wepaint wiki ZSDW
DevilNuts	1. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 8:25 AM EDT Atheist - I'm good, thanks :) Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	2. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 8:58 AM EDT Communion, Baptism, Marriage, and even many holidays would stay unaffected by the Zpoc here - though more done at home until the community of colonies is developed enough to justify a "meeting house." My hillbilly ancestors did just fine with the Appalachian Christianity, and I can't say my worship won't be improved when I'm not looking at some kid with half a college music degree signing the praise chorus of the week that noone knows off the big screen, when there is an entire hymnal filled with beloved favorites (WITH MUSIC TO SING FROM, NOT JUST LYRICS). So, there will be some changes, most of them for the good, when technology, money, and personal agendas are removed from the stage (as well as the removal of a stage). Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Zero_Mostel	3. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 12:18 PM EDT personally I doubt we will bury our dead anymore. More likely burn them after chopping the heads off. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DevilNuts	4. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 12:39 PM EDT "personally I doubt we will bury our dead anymore. More likely burn them after chopping the heads off. " The sci-fi fan in me pictures some sort of ceremonial funeral head-spike. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
NotAlice	5. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 12:48 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 10 2012, 12:49 PM EDT DN: Quite reasonable response, if you don't HAVE a religious trad hard to see how the Zpoc would alter it. Oak: Well, I didn't expect a response like your's. That makes it a brilliant insight to me! Yeah, I expected the move to homes, but the rest caught me off guard. Cool! More thoughts from me: I will be a lot more sincere in blessings on departures, since there really will be deadly peril for people leaving the colony, even for short periods. My standard "Safe Journey" may sound the same, but it will be more heartfelt! If the colony needs to hunt, I will certainly offer divinations on where game can be found. This is not as hippy-dippy as it sounds. In my college anthropology readings was a fascinating account of two neighboring tribes, one practiced scapulomancy(divination by bone cracks) for guiding hunters to game; one did not. The funny thing was the divining tribe was 30-40% more successful than the non-divining one. Well, does divination work, then? Not necessarily. People are creatures of habit, as are animals. The best places for hunting will be hunted by preference. But, prey aren't stupid, eventually they figure out that "down in the bottom lands is unhealthy" for them. So they go elsewhere. But people will tend to head for the no-longer-best place to hunt since that was where they HAD had success. Result? Declining success in the hunt. What the divination did was randomize the direction of the hunt(if you don't believe in the divination) so that the hunters were more likely to encounter the vanished prey. Like I said, fascinating. So, I'll offer divination, they can decline it or follow it as they will. But they will know the story so they will be fully informed. (Hate to think I might encourage superstition.) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	6. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 1:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 10 2012, 1:14 PM EDT So much of religious tradition has become a matter of culture or social convention that it would be very challenging for most of us to delineate between the two. That said, I don't think anything would change for me post-Apocalypse, at least in terms of tradition or practice. Some background: My religious preference has evolved somewhat over time; I reject the terms "atheist" or "agnostic" as they're not wholly illustrative of my beliefs - I don't reject the possibility of supernatural creation - though those terms still the most convenient for conversation as most people are unfamiliar with more appropriate terminology. I am interested in Deism, though unlike many classical Deists, I don't necessarily assert that there can only be one God. But I have commitment issues and don't like adopting labels, as they're fairly restrictive. Given such, I am largely undecided. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reaper37	7. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 1:38 PM EDT "Atheist - I'm good, thanks :)" Same here, no worries having to think about this. Can move on to which gun matches with my shoes the best, :)..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	8. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 2:26 PM EDT Actually some of the religious traditions might make sense in a post-Z landscape. Stop and think about it for a second. The food prohibitions were from a pre-refridgeration era. Shellfish go off so quickly that avoiding eating them altogether will save you a world of stomach cramps and vomiting. Pork is hard to cook correctly to avoid certain parasites, and over a fire can easily burn on the outside whilst the middle remains raw. Mixing meat and milk? Well again the pasteurisation era was a little after this, so it could make sense to start doing this. I'm not saying that this should be followed because it will make a Man In The Clouds sad or angry. Just that something similar to these guidelines might be put in place. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	9. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 3:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 10 2012, 3:15 PM EDT "Actually some of the religious traditions might make sense in a post-Z landscape. Stop and think about it for a second. The food prohibitions were from a pre-refridgeration era. Shellfish go off so quickly that avoiding eating them altogether will save you a world of stomach cramps and vomiting. Pork is hard to cook correctly to avoid certain parasites, and over a fire can easily burn on the outside whilst the middle remains raw. Mixing meat and milk? Well again the pasteurisation era was a little after this, so it could make sense to start doing this. I'm not saying that this should be followed because it will make a Man In The Clouds sad or angry. Just that something similar to these guidelines might be put in place." Indeed. Here's another example of more primitive origins. Native Americans attributed observations to supernatural spirits. For instance, a known cave could be found "full of evil spirits" by the town shaman because even the bravest warriors who entered would never return. Obviously, we know now that these warriors probably died due to natural causes (bacteria and ammonia concentration resulting from bat droppings, falls/getting lost, structurally unsafe caves, etc.) but those who came before us would have no way of knowing the true cause of death. Claiming "bad spirits" worked, as it had the effect of keeping people out of the d*mn cave! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wantmarmite	10. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 3:48 PM EDT I see a point in keeping a tradition for burial to signify the value people placed on a person and to say a belated goodbye. I see a point to a winter festival or feast. And there's nothing wrong with celebrating birthdays. They don't have to be anything big. But I would like recognize times of celebration and mourning. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	11. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 3:50 PM EDT Atheist or not, I would institute a Day of the Dead event on a yearly basis. Remembering those who had died over the course of the year is a very necessary thing. Mortality needs to be reflected on. I'd also have a Day of the Living directly afterwards. A massive party festival basically. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TreeLegs	12. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 10 2012, 11:25 PM EDT "Atheist or not, I would institute a Day of the Dead event on a yearly basis. Remembering those who had died over the course of the year is a very necessary thing. Mortality needs to be reflected on. I'd also have a Day of the Living directly afterwards. A massive party festival basically." I like this idea. A holiday that everyone could participate in regardless of faith sounds like a great idea to bring everyone together. All depending, I would probably hold it every three to six months or have other holidays too, like something of a veterans day for those who went down being heros. Construction of a common memorial area seems like something to be considered as well. A shrine or something that everyone could chip in and build for such a purpose also helps unify people of various faiths (in theory at least). As far as religious practices go, my unit had at least a couple of people from every religion in it and we just did our best to let them have their time and peace to observe what they needed to. Keeping personal religious practices as close to pre-apoc as possible would be good for that persons psychological well being, which is a very valuable thing to encourage in such chaotic times. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	13. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 6:37 PM EDT I would not think that many groups would have much internal struggle on religious issues, since family units and friends tent to have similar faith. Both my wife's family and mine still pray over Christmas and Thanksgiving dinner, and while many of our family would not be Christians by any litmus test, that would still be their answer on a multiple choice test. I certainly don't have many non-Christian friends who might come over on Zday, but any of the ones that did would likely be perfectly comfortable with prayers over food and religious holidays (most of which all American's celebrate). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wantmarmite	14. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 7:01 PM EDT "I would not think that many groups would have much internal struggle on religious issues, since family units and friends tent to have similar faith. " Do you think it's likely many families and friends will make it together through an apocalypse? I think most groups would experience some loss and would see their groups change over time. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	15. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 7:07 PM EDT "I certainly don't have many non-Christian friends who might come over on Zday, but any of the ones that did would likely be perfectly comfortable with prayers over food and religious holidays (most of which all American's celebrate). " Most Christian holidays are fine for even atheists, they're spread out well throughout the year, they generally have a spirit of charity about them etc. Hell, France uses them for most state holidays (except Easter). Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
OOSnake	16. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 7:19 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 7:21 PM EDT "Atheist - I'm good, thanks :)" This. I always found that religion complicates things, in general. Probably just me, and the fact that my RE GCSE course requires me to learn tonnes of religious views about lots of things. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	17. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 7:45 PM EDT "Do you think it's likely many families and friends will make it together through an apocalypse? I think most groups would experience some loss and would see their groups change over time. " Actually, I do. I see most survival groups being family and friends clumped up around a central figure. Sure, there may be some rag-tag groups getting together through necessity, but those, almost by default, will be the least prepared (unprepared or preparations thwarted). For me, it is my farm with friends and family. For others, it might be out at grandmas, at uncle's store, or with your best friend's parents - doesn't really matter the reasons, those who are prepped will accumulate people around them - likely from the people they choose (friends and family). Now, if the Apoc goes down like Stephen Kings The Stand, where a high percent of the population goes down without reguard to preparations, THEN rag-tag groups would rise, as the odds of having survivors among your friends and family would be low. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wantmarmite	18. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 9:10 PM EDT "Actually, I do. I see most survival groups being family and friends clumped up around a central figure. Sure, there may be some rag-tag groups getting together through necessity, but those, almost by default, will be the least prepared (unprepared or preparations thwarted). " I would think accidents, disease and attacks would pick a few off in every group. I plan to be with my family. But it seems naive to assume that we wouldn't experience hardship with severe consequences not matter how well prepared a family is. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	19. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 11 2012, 9:21 PM EDT "I would think accidents, disease and attacks would pick a few off in every group. I plan to be with my family. But it seems naive to assume that we wouldn't experience hardship with severe consequences not matter how well prepared a family is. " True - I don't expect all of my group to make it here. Some are an hour away, some are seven hours. Some are rather elderly (70's). Some might descide to stay where they are at or with their families (in a time a crisis people often reevaluate the value of family). Of course, a car accident, a poor decision, the apoc hitting at the wrong moment (vacation two states away), etc - anything can and will screw up people. BUT, even if I don't make it, some of my group are bound to make it here to the farm, and they will have a good head start on weapons, ammo, food stockpile, and farming. So, I expect the group here to be rather homogenious. Of course, if the farm burns to the ground, we might be put to the road, and put to the road, attrition might take us down to one or two, and then we might end up joining with others - but as I said before, a mixed group usually comes from desperation. Most groups that are thriving and surviving will be commonly linked in ideology. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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