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NotAlice	120. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 4:03 PM EDT Well, in spite of the twists and turns of this thread (not to mention outright digressions!) I'm pleased with the way everyone has managed to keep from turning it into a 'bashing' thread. How about that! I think most religion threads have gone toxic by the second or third page. Nice to see the mods haven't had to shut this one down - yet. lol Good show folks!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
17kuhlman	121. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 4:08 PM EDT agnostic i think Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlphaOneFour	122. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 4:13 PM EDT "Nice to see the mods haven't had to shut this one down - yet." It's religion, not politics. We don't discuss politics on this forum (for long), but as far as I know, an informed discussion about how the z-poc would alter religious views and actions associated with these religions is very interesting. I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread so far, but especially RedComrad, SovietPrince, wantmarmite, and of cousre NotAlice for a thoroughly engaging discussion so far. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	123. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 4:46 PM EDT "Well, in spite of the twists and turns of this thread (not to mention outright digressions!) I'm pleased with the way everyone has managed to keep from turning it into a 'bashing' thread. How about that! I think most religion threads have gone toxic by the second or third page. Nice to see the mods haven't had to shut this one down - yet. lol Good show folks!!!" Only reason this went over so smoothly was because I haven't paid attention. I don't particularly appreciate implications that I'm an immoral person because I don't believe in a genocidal desert god thought up by primitive tribesmen in a non-scientific society... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NotAlice	124. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 5:03 PM EDT "Only reason this went over so smoothly was because I haven't paid attention. I don't particularly appreciate implications that I'm an immoral person because I don't believe in a genocidal desert god thought up by primitive tribesmen in a non-scientific society..." Well, Irish; animosity can come from either direction. Either direction can get a thread locked. Since this thread is supposed to deal with your personal adaptions of religious traditions, are there any adaptions you think you might have to make in your religious traditions PostApoc? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	125. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 5:10 PM EDT I already contributed my idea in the Day of the Dead/Day of the Living concept. Animosity towards one side has already manifested itself in ridiculous claims that atheists generally act like selfish gits, yet the thread goes on. Of course, hilariously, Western atheistic societies have a strong tendency towards lower crime rates compared with religious ones. So it's not so much an insult as a self-declaration of ignorance for certain people here to say the non-religious are immoral by nature. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	126. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 9:37 PM EDT "aren't you an atheist...." does it f*cking matter? ^_^ Thank god I hate organized religion ^_^ Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	127. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 9:39 PM EDT "does it f*cking matter? ^_^ Thank god I hate organized religion ^_^" also, i said that with alot of LOLZ in my typing. no offense to anyone ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Medusa374	128. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 9:55 PM EDT "also, i said that with alot of LOLZ in my typing. no offense to anyone ;)" I WAS DEEPLY OFFENDED BY THIS! YOU DESERVE TO GO TO HELL BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE ALMIGHTY TOM CRUISE. YOU WERE NOT TOUCHED BY HIS HEAVENLY-NESS!? BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN /MY/ GOD, YOU ARE WRONG AND STUPID! GO BURN IN THE HELL THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN!!! trolololol In all soolemnity, I do believe that the sabbats will still be able to be held, due to their use and relevance to harvest/solar/lunar science-y stuff that I never really understood. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	129. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jun 30 2012, 10:01 PM EDT "Fixed it. Delete as appropriate. Actually, NotAlice has a good point about things gradually being absorbed into a culture, and losing their impact. In shakespeare's time, naughty was one of the worst insults out there." oh, u so nawty ^_^ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlphaOneFour	130. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 1 2012, 5:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 1 2012, 5:53 AM EDT "Thank god I hate organized religion ^_^" How about disorganised religion? Regarding "you so nawty"- In King Lear, Gloucster calls a woman naughty when she tries to claw his eyes out. Back they, it would have been more properly spelt "noughty", as you were literally saying that a person was a nought, that they were nothing. Irish, I recognise your annoyance over the interpretation of a certain god, but how'd you like to convert to FSMism? The only dogma is the rejection of dogma, the preferred method of worship is consumption of spaghetti and meatballs, and when you die you go to heaven, where you will live on a giant pirate ship next to the beer volcano and stripper factory. (wearing of colanders as religious headgear is not mandatory but is encouraged) Medusa- Scientologist by any chance? Or just a huge Tom Cruise fangirl? One tradition that I would like to see carried on is the idea of certain days on which everyone gets together. Not to worship, but to talk, to eat together, and to provide sociial interaction for everbody, which is what I believe that places of worship do nowadays. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	131. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 1 2012, 10:57 AM EDT "How about disorganised religion? Regarding "you so nawty"- In King Lear, Gloucster calls a woman naughty when she tries to claw his eyes out. Back they, it would have been more properly spelt "noughty", as you were literally saying that a person was a nought, that they were nothing. Irish, I recognise your annoyance over the interpretation of a certain god, but how'd you like to convert to FSMism? The only dogma is the rejection of dogma, the preferred method of worship is consumption of spaghetti and meatballs, and when you die you go to heaven, where you will live on a giant pirate ship next to the beer volcano and stripper factory. (wearing of colanders as religious headgear is not mandatory but is encouraged) Medusa- Scientologist by any chance? Or just a huge Tom Cruise fangirl? One tradition that I would like to see carried on is the idea of certain days on which everyone gets together. Not to worship, but to talk, to eat together, and to provide sociial interaction for everbody, which is what I believe that places of worship do nowadays." to all of this: who gives a damn? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Medusa374	132. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 1 2012, 11:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 1 2012, 11:01 AM EDT "to all of this: who gives a damn?" @AlphaOneFour- I'm Pagan, actually. and nobody worships tom cruise. Except the underwear clan... @SovietPrince- Your mother Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	133. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 1 2012, 11:03 AM EDT "@AlphaOneFour- I'm Pagan, actually. and nobody worships tom cruise. Except the underwear clan..." underwear clan? i do believe scientologist =/= mormon unless Tommy boy is both btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tuEaG-buvo Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Ghoulsmasher	134. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 2 2012, 2:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2012, 2:15 PM EDT I can't speak for all Christians but I'm sure a good portion of them will be greatly disillusioned by the whole reality of zombies. A major tenet of Christianity teaches that the dead will be resurrected during the End-Times. I think religious beliefs and traditions will no longer be priority in most people's lives. Survival will be the only important thing. Zombies will cause a great panic and even greater horror among many Christians. The Resurrection is believed to be a complete transformation and perfection of body, mind and spirit. But as zombies are the only modern evidence, albeit a grotesque one of Resurrection, Christian traditions will go out the window, I think. I know as a Christian, a Z Day event would certainly affect my faith. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
redcomrad	135. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 2 2012, 6:07 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2012, 6:07 PM EDT just asking guys what do you think would happen with marriage post SHTF? would it basically become like whoever you share your fire with kind of thing or would it return as a religious thing? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	136. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 2 2012, 6:21 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2012, 6:21 PM EDT "I can't speak for all Christians but I'm sure a good portion of them will be greatly disillusioned by the whole reality of zombies. A major tenet of Christianity teaches that the dead will be resurrected during the End-Times. I think religious beliefs and traditions will no longer be priority in most people's lives. Survival will be the only important thing. Zombies will cause a great panic and even greater horror among many Christians. The Resurrection is believed to be a complete transformation and perfection of body, mind and spirit. But as zombies are the only modern evidence, albeit a grotesque one of Resurrection, Christian traditions will go out the window, I think. I know as a Christian, a Z Day event would certainly affect my faith." this right here. is why people won't want to shoot their loved ones when they zedify. because they'll think they're still people "uncle jim! you died of Auto erotic asphyxiation decades ago! wait.. why are you-- AGH!!!DJwlfkjnhsdiogjngsdg" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NotAlice	137. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 3 2012, 7:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 3 2012, 7:23 PM EDT "just asking guys what do you think would happen with marriage post SHTF? would it basically become like whoever you share your fire with kind of thing or would it return as a religious thing?" Marriage historically was about property and line of inheritance. i.e. who gets the choice farmland and who has to carve their farm from the wilderness. There was also a bit of tribal adoption mixed in - like now you're of the Red Tribe instead of the Blue Tribe. In Europe, marriage for the common folk was basically a political alliance, "I have 10 acres and with you, WE have 20 acres. So our family has a larger share of influence in the village than those sclhubs with 5 acres apiece. " Until around the 15th century, weddings were barred from churches because the wrangling over control of dowries often got out of control and went to fisticuffs and worse. That said, marriage nowadays IS churchified and we are modern people. For a short period, say 10-50 years; I expect marriage to be both more casual and more formal. More casual when the pressure is on, perhaps like handfasting among some Pagans today(where jumping the broom is the official ceremony). And more formal in the more stable colonies where it would be darn near an official holiday, basically as an affirmation of hope for the future. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	138. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 4 2012, 10:46 AM EDT Marriage historical was about property, inheritance, genetics, and politics. The entire point of the dowery/wedding gift was so that you not only switched out children, but also kids, lambs, calves, and the like - a chance to un-inbred your herd and your family. It also created political ties - solidifying friendships by tying families together (which is why there would often be several exchanges between the same two families - like a creepy Brady Bunch with a quadruple wedding to cement the families). For inheritance, at the time, there was no Maury to let you know whether or not you were the father - so the best way to make sure you were the baby's daddy was to marry a virgin (not long after puberty - @ 15 with an ancient diet) and make sure the dress and sheets were white (at the beginning of the evening) and that she was only around brides maidens (pre-pubescent, so they couldn't bleed on anything for her). That was dad's proof that his daughter was a good girl and the transaction was legal. Also, this was the point of an engagement (usually a year and a day - enough time to know she isn't preggers from some other dude). Finally, this is why ancient polygamy was multiple wives - because you always can tell who the mother is - multiple fathers leaves a big ? on the kid's parentage. (In ancient Jewish law the inheritance came from the father, but "Ethinic Jewishness" came from the mother). Post-apoc, it will depend a lot on the culture of the group in which people are. In my compound marriage is the law - as it has been down here in the southeastern US for some time. My friends and family are all committed Christains, so this isn't something that would even be thought odd - it is our current policy. Of course, in many communities, it will be greatly different. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
redcomrad	139. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc Jul 4 2012, 7:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2012, 7:06 PM EDT "make sure the dress and sheets were white (at the beginning of the evening) " I thought people used to just wear their best dress back in the day, the reason they wear white now is because of queen Victoria's wedding when she wore a white dress. Finally personally i view marriage as more of a personal social status between people kinda like a more higher up version of girlfriend/boyfriend to show everyone you are committed to each other. Finally in my commnuity i i had one, the government would just stay out of marriage really the only thing that the government/courts would settle for the families is where the children will go to. for things like house,land and other stuff i would just make it so that it will go to whoever owns that property/stuff, like say the husband bought the horse but the wife bought the house, so in effect the husband will get horse but the wife will get the house. The two persons even if married will be recognized as 2 separate entity's. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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