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AlphaOneFour |
60. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 4:48 AM EDT
"actually, its a return date for the higher civilization to come back to claim its genetic experiment and cleanse the earth and start over.""Jesus who? Well, se didn't send him, time to start over again" And SP, there are no atheists on a crashing plane. The z-poc would either destroy someone's faith entirely, or strengthen it so that it's almost unbreakable. Of course, you'll get a rare few who can't be put into these categories, but that's my prediction for religion post z-poc. The buddhists might all have to become warrior monks though. Do you find this valuable? |
wantmarmite |
61. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 7:24 AM EDT
"And SP, there are no atheists on a crashing plane. "It's as much BS as “there are no libertarians during a financial crisis” and "there are no atheists in a foxhole". It's a tired, worn old expression used to eliminate discussion. It's also an assertion, not an argument. There is no empirical data to support this thesis. When I've feared for my life, I was more concerned with staying alive than wondering: is there was a God? http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/11/23/a-skeptical-analysis-of-there-are-no-atheists-in-foxholes/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AlphaOneFour |
62. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 10:41 AM EDT
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"there are no atheists in a foxhole"That's because a fox is a small furry mammal, and the holes that they dig would not fit a human being. Yes, I'm deliberately misinterpreting you, and yes, you have an excellent, entirely valid point that quite trumps my own. Excellent article, by the way. Addendum: I consider myself an atheist, and that probably wouldn't change, but I suspect that under extreme conditions I might convert to pastafarianism. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wantmarmite |
63. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
"That's because a fox is a small furry mammal, and the holes that they dig would not fit a human being.I totally didn't understand "there are no atheists in a foxhole." I thought it meant atheists don't join the military. Then I heard a christian go on to say everyone cries out god. I think more along the lines of: Oh sh!tsh!tsh!tsh!tsh!tsh!t! When you convert, are you considering becoming a pirate? We need more pirates to reverse global warming and it would be a significant contribution on your part. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
SovietPrince |
64. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 11:29 AM EDT
""Jesus who? Well, se didn't send him, time to start over again"i wasalluding to a few things in history that would start a flame war because people dont take the time to learn about what they believe or dont believe in. and @ the airplane comment: BULLSH*T course, im not a nonbeliever, but im not a believer either. also, a foxhole is where a soldier hides in trenchwarfer, kinda part of the trenches.. or his little dig out for his sleeping bag. my grand-uncle popped out of one in the korean war and killeda tank with an m2 launcher. also, under extreme conditions, i might convert to kalashnikovism Do you find this valuable? |
redcomrad |
65. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 11:57 AM EDT
" "there are no atheists in a foxhole".i consider that a good thing since that will be my excuse for not registering when i turn 18 and making myself unconsciptable so heck yaa!!! 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SovietPrince |
66. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 12:23 PM EDT
"i consider that a good thing since that will be my excuse for not registering when i turn 18 and making myself unconsciptable so heck yaa!!!"LOL dude, i didnt register and im registered. Its automatic now. they just send you a paper with the card and say "if anything's not right, change this and that and mail it in and we'll fix it" no joke. but, they cant draft you if you cant go through basic. Just whine alot and not do what you're told. Do you find this valuable? |
Oakspar77777 |
67. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 1:44 PM EDT
Okay, maybe there are athiest in the foxhole to driven to live to convert.But when the mighty MONTEZUMA strikes with his painful revenge, the afflicted, offering liquid libations upon his PORCELEIN THRONE, do always call upon the divine for delieverance from their affliction!!! True, that might be theism through torture, but MONTEZUMA does not hold to the petty Geneva Conventions or any law of man (including the one that says that pure water cannot make you sh1t blood for three weeks). 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SovietPrince |
68. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 2:07 PM EDT
"Okay, maybe there are athiest in the foxhole to driven to live to convert.Imodium broski. and common sense purifying techniques. tell me again how you went to the church to get your cure. ;) personally, i dont feel that achristian viewpoint on life after the apoc would be acceptable for many.Morally speaking, itsstill great to believe but, when you're in that foxhole with your children, your wife or husband, family, friends, etc. OR EVEN COMPLETE STRANGERS. and sh*t has been coming down for weeks, months, hell, maybe we're a couple years into the zedpoc... i would think you'd start to realize whats important. its not about what you're gonna believe in. but what you have. you'll cherish being able to grow a couple crops to survive, or have a few animals to slaughter. give thanks where you may wish, but that is of your own labor and the will of nature. i'd feel like your traditions would revolve around your people and you being in good health. and since we're modern persons, lets just say for those who are sick, you arent praying for them to get better, you're praying that you can find a medicine, or a book that teaches you how to make it in the wild. etc. you'd cherish every second you had that wasnt fighting or fearing death. I dont think religion would play much a part in life after an apoc, save for in communities where its more for social convention. why anyone would follow a doctrine that hs left them in... hell essentially, is beyond me. But that's just my opinion. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
StrykerPez |
69. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 6:58 PM EDT
"Okay, maybe there are athiest in the foxhole to driven to live to convert.Remember, when praying to the gods at the porcelain throne, there are two positions one must know. One position for offerings to Montezuma, and one for offerings to Tezcatzontecatl. Although some more upscale worship rooms allow you to pray to both gods simultaneously through the use of a porcelain bowl placed directly opposite the porcelain throne. Do you find this valuable? |
CallsignPyro |
70. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 21 2012, 7:37 PM EDT
I'm a melting pot of religions. Dad's baptist/ metaphysical, mom's catholic, step dad's jewish. Everyone is buddhist to some degree (trying to find peace in thier life, balance, ect). Myself, I really don't care about the Church proper. Every religion has one supreme being in it, Zeus, Allah, Ra, etc. Even someone that doesn't believe in god can't deny that, its part of history. Thats what i believe in, god, not some building, so my religion post zed appoc wont change at all (aside for more prayers for the dead).
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redcomrad |
71. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 6:44 AM EDT
"LOLi have horrible cardiovascular health, cant swim, am a migit, and pretty loner like so i doubt i would make an attractive soldier. Do you find this valuable? |
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wantmarmite |
72. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 8:16 AM EDT
"LOLThere isn't a draft in the US currently is there? Why would they bother to register you if there isn't currently a draft? Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
73. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 10:55 AM EDT
"There isn't a draft in the US currently is there? Why would they bother to register you if there isn't currently a draft?"because that's what we do. we are registered in the event that if the russians ever invade, they'll be able to pull troopsfrom the populace. its just always been around, at least since Vietnam. When i was young, my ultra-religious grandmother warned me that i'd end up just like my drunken uncle who was drafted in vietnam, took shrapnel in his leg, and was laying on the battlefield for three days because they thought he was dead. she wanted me to registerasa conscientious objector.. Also wanted me tobecome a christian missionary. *honestly if i had gotten sent to a third world country, i'd be going to commit genocide* we don't only just have the most powerful military in theworld. we also have abackuparmy in theevent that all our tech, the national guard, and the militias fail.LOL there honestly isnt a need for the draft. alot of operations take place with the help of or directly done by drone warfare. there is little use for it, but its still something that you have to realize you could be subject to once you're an adult. like how switzerland requires all male citizens to be part of the military. except it isnt mandatory here, and we dont get to keep our automatic weapons when we go home. Do you find this valuable? |
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wantmarmite |
74. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
1939 to 1950, Britain drafted single and widowed women with the choice of armed services or farm hand if they weren't already involved in the war effort (factory, red cross etc) My Grandfather's older sister was drafted as an underground radio operator in Nazi Europe. Poor boy wasn't old enough and didn't take kindly to his sister going military while he had stay home with his Mummy.Almost every nation will draft if necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription It just seems a little premature to register when it isn't necessary. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
75. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 12:33 PM EDT
"1939 to 1950, Britain drafted single and widowed women with the choice of armed services or farm hand if they weren't already involved in the war effort (factory, red cross etc) My Grandfather's older sister was drafted as an underground radio operator in Nazi Europe. Poor boy wasn't old enough and didn't take kindly to his sister going military while he had stay home with his Mummy.speeds up the process. and they know who to call first Do you find this valuable? |
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wantmarmite |
76. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 3:34 PM EDT
"speeds up the process.How rapidly would they need untrained personnel? And wouldn't they need to pass a bill first? Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
77. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 3:46 PM EDT
"How rapidly would they need untrained personnel? And wouldn't they need to pass a bill first?"technically, if we're in such turmoil that we'd need a draft, that bill would go through overnight. that's if there is some ungodly reason to actually have a draft. btw the registration makes it easier to figure out whether you will willingly be drafted or get put in prison. LOTS of paperwork for 300 million americans. Do you find this valuable? |
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Oakspar77777 |
78. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 6:48 PM EDT
It also serves to remind all the self important little snots in the US that they do not own their life - that their family and community have been supporting the little leaches for almost the first two decades of life, and the freedom and privaledge that they have enjoyed and feel so entittled to can be revoked with a stroke of a pen.Also, the draft only takes a presidential order - no bill required. The draft has existed since the great wars, and was used heavily in WW2, Korea, and Veitnam. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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redcomrad |
79. RE: Personal Adaptions of Religious Traditions Post Apoc
Jun 22 2012, 7:28 PM EDT
In my settlement I would have a national service but they only have to go threw basic training and will have to train every once in a while like say once a month. Conscripts will never be used outside the borders mind you they can only be used for defense, only volunteers will be sent over the wall. If called up you will only be required to serve 1 year and unless you volunteer to stay will not be allowed to be called up until a 1 year has passed since you were last called up. And yes, just like in Switzerland you will be aloud to take your gun home with you.
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