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20. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 6:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 6:47 PM EDT
"http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/indonesia

Jesse, apparently some in their government want guns banned, they are not CURRENTLY illegal, so their Police are still issuing permits. "
?

Yea, I agree.
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
21. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 6:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 6:57 PM EDT
I've used these quite a lot in university rifle club, their anti-personnel value is zero. Might get a psychological advantage over someone who doesn't have one, particularly in places where guns aren't widespread. Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
22. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:03 PM EDT
"alright,alright i get it.air arms are bad.firearms are recommended,indonesia prohibit civvies to use firearms.that's it the whole indonesia are f***** up

*sob*"
Oh for God's sake....

Go out and get a permit to own guns because you can (and this isn't the first thread where we've talked about Indonesian firearms laws, if I remember correctly). Buy a crossbow and learn to use it. Stop whining.
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Braydonn
Braydonn
23. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:08 PM EDT
I bet you could cause some psychological trauma to someone if you are consistently hitting them with it from a hidden position.

Imagine staking out on a raider encampment or another groups compound, from your hidden position, you are consistently hitting the same guard night after night after night. That's bound to cause some psychological trauma, right? Haha!

Or it could possibly cause their group to try and hunt you down.

If your main goal is to mentally terrorize people and have a diet consisting mainly of squirrel and pigeon, then the air rifle is for you!
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
24. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:52 PM EDT
"Here is the current pinnacle of heavy crossbows. Of course, if it cost too much, research something cheaper:

http://www.pse-archery.com/products/productdetail/PSE+TAC+15i+CROSSBOW/
part_number=01142/445.5.1.1.87663.1003538.0.0.0?pp=12&

And make sure to get this or something more suitable for you:

http://www.amazon.com/HHA-OPTI-LITE-BOW-MT/dp/B005AXXVVW

There are good alternatives in the links to the left.


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Can you edit this Frag? some of the page doesn't load.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
25. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:17 PM EDT
"?

Yea, I agree."
What's with the "?" ?

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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
26. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:38 PM EDT
Well at least two people didn't completely ignore my post. Do you find this valuable?    
Sharpie41
Sharpie41
27. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 8:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 8:54 PM EDT
"Oh for God's sake....

Go out and get a permit to own guns because you can (and this isn't the first thread where we've talked about Indonesian firearms laws, if I remember correctly). Buy a crossbow and learn to use it. Stop whining."
You remember correctly.

It was started by this OP too.
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Frag-12
Frag-12
28. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 11 2012, 9:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2012, 9:29 PM EDT
Wow, looking at the price tag of some of the air rifles, you might as well purchase a firearm!

I am curious about the Evanix Giant with a price tag of $1400 to $2,000 - cough!




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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
29. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 12:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 12:15 AM EDT
Well you have this option;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_technology

"In 1607 Bartolomeo Crescentio described an air-gun equipped with a powerful spiral spring, a device so complex that it must have had predecessors.[original research?] In 1644 Mersenne spoke in detail of "sclopeti pneumatici constructio", and four years later Wilkins wrote enthusiastically of "that late ingenious invention the wind-gun" as being "almost equall to our powder-guns". In the 1650s Otto von Guericke, famed for his experiments with vacua and pressures, built the Madeburger Windbuchse, one of the technical wonders of its time."

In "Weapons: An Illustrated History" by Chuck Wills on page 112, there is an example of a Napoleonic Era "wind rifle" that was effective enough that Napoleon ordered "...the summary execution of any Austrian soildier carrying one."

If a .50 cal bullet moving at 1000fps doesn't do the job, you've got a pretty big problem on your hands.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
30. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 12:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 12:58 AM EDT
"You remember correctly.

It was started by this OP too."
Wait, we already told him that he could buy a gun?

Did you just forget?
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
31. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 1:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 1:04 AM EDT
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If a .50 cal bullet moving at 1000fps doesn't do the job, you've got a pretty big problem on your hands."
That's slower than most rimfire ammo, isn't it?
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
32. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 1:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 2:46 PM EDT
"That's slower than most rimfire ammo, isn't it?"
Size is just as important as velocity. A .22 may be going faster, but that .50 is putting a bigger hole in your body. 1000 fps is certainly enough to get it to enter, and it's got a better chance of hitting blood vessels or organs by sheer size compared to a .22.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
33. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 1:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 1:13 AM EDT
"That's slower than most rimfire ammo, isn't it?"
Not 100% sure, but the box of Winchester 115gr FMJ 9mm says at 25 yards it's still moving at 1125fps so...
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Frag-12
Frag-12
34. RE: Air arms as substitute ?
Jun 12 2012, 11:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2012, 11:58 AM EDT
Wow check this out!

https://xp-airguns.com/Ranger.html

Warning to those with squeamish fortitudes and animal lovers although the wild hog is an invasive species in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eUx_oEpyTw

Freakin' A the round went through and through!

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