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GrandArmourer	Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 12:30 PM EDT In my opinion, the Mosin Nagant and other Bolt action rifles have no use in the zombie defense field. If you have enough time to get an accurate shot with a large rifle, you can get away. But! The rifle itself is a nice weapon. They're very cheap and pretty reliable. Also quite accurate. It's also very easy to clean and disassemble. You can also easily turn it into a grenade launcher with a 2liter coke bottle and some blank cartridges. It's a good gun for hunting but not for protection. It would be good to have to get food though. Post reply 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: 7.62x54R Bolt-Action Caliber M38 Mosin Nagant Rifle
LJ126	1. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 12:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 20 2012, 1:24 PM EDT The Mosin-Nagant is not ideal, to be sure, but it is better than nothing. These rifles were used in trench warfare to effect in WWI, and in urban warfare in WWII. Were they the best tools? No. Did they do the job? Certainly. First of all, with good practice and pointers from someone who knows what they're doing, these rifles can be operated and fired very rapidly. I used to use a few different variation of Mosin-Nagant in old military rifle shoots at the Highland Gun Club in Illinois, and never had difficulty in the rapid fire stages. This required firing ten aimed shots (with reload) in 20 seconds. It takes practice and technique, but these rifles aren't too slow to shoot accurately. The marksman is the important factor there. Second, if several people are armed with said rifle - or any other bolt rifle - the firepower output is multiplied. And with their low price, buying four or five isn't a huge expense. Third, the bayonet makes the rifle into a pretty effectively-sized spear. Given the low magazine capacity, I think that a bayonet probably isn't a bad idea for these rifles. So the Mosin isn't the best option out there but it beats the living snot out of being without a rifle at all. EDIT: The rapid fire section was shortened from 30 seconds to 20 because most people were operating Garands and M1 Carbines. Even with a reload, thirty seconds to shoot ten rounds out of a semi-auto is too easy to be competitive. We bolt gunners got screwed there. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	2. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 1:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 20 2012, 1:22 PM EDT Sidenote: I think that the SKS, M1 Garand, M1A/M14, Hakim, or any other bolt action battle rifle is probably a better choice. The Mosin has one big advantage over those (except the SKS) and that's the price of ammunition. If there was a 7.62x54R Saiga variant, I'd be all over it. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TreeLegs	3. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 1:12 PM EDT Disagree highly. The Mosin is a cheap, durable and reliable weapons platform for combat as long as you know how and when to use it. It offers a great deal of firepower and options that you don't have with some of the more popular platforms like the AR based rifles. With the bayonet mounted, you have something more akin to a pole arm to fight with. Training with it is simple and affordable. Bolt action rifles are used best when there is some distance between you and the aggressor. Than can however be used for close targets but require training with the action o the bolt and usually a lower capacity magazine. This is why some bolt actions have small red dot sights mounted on the scope. Scout packages were made for closer targets shot on the fly aimed at fast moving targets. They are not the best weapons for CQB, but they are better than nothing. They are a valuable tool in the bag for complete combat effectiveness. Bolt actions being used to engage at distance, automatic/pump/lever action rifles and carbines for intermediate ranges and pistols for backup. Each weapon system has its pros and cons, but to completely discount one leaves one to assume that the person doing so is not very familiar with using a bolt gun in a combat fashion practically or historically. The same logic could be applied to multiple weapon systems when used in an improper manner. @LJ There is always the PSL or Dragnov. Same fun round now magazine fed lol. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	4. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 1:19 PM EDT Those PSL-54 are nearly a grand now. Hard to find too. If I'm paying that much, I'd rather have one of those VEPR in x54R. Now THAT tickles my love buttons... http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z33/vanhahner/AKAGUNHUNVEPR54R14D.jpg Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AlphaOneFour	5. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 1:22 PM EDT This completely justifies this gun. http://airsoft-uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mosinnagant.jpg Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	6. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 1:33 PM EDT "Disagree highly. The Mosin is a cheap, durable and reliable weapons platform for combat as long as you know how and when to use it. It offers a great deal of firepower and options that you don't have with some of the more popular platforms like the AR based rifles. With the bayonet mounted, you have something more akin to a pole arm to fight with. Training with it is simple and affordable. Bolt action rifles are used best when there is some distance between you and the aggressor. Than can however be used for close targets but require training with the action o the bolt and usually a lower capacity magazine. This is why some bolt actions have small red dot sights mounted on the scope. Scout packages were made for closer targets shot on the fly aimed at fast moving targets. They are not the best weapons for CQB, but they are better than nothing. They are a valuable tool in the bag for complete combat effectiveness. Bolt actions being used to engage at distance, automatic/pump/lever action rifles and carbines for intermediate ranges and pistols for backup. Each weapon system has its pros and cons, but to completely discount one leaves one to assume that the person doing so is not very familiar with using a bolt gun in a combat fashion practically or historically. The same logic could be applied to multiple weapon systems when used in an improper manner. @LJ There is always the PSL or Dragnov. Same fun round now magazine fed lol. " PSl is now almost the same price as the VEPR. Vepr's ish far better. curious question, browning still makes the BAR.... does that still take 20 round mags? im considering a "tactical" setup.. as a sniper platform. hitting in .30-06 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	7. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 2:04 PM EDT "PSl is now almost the same price as the VEPR. Vepr's ish far better. curious question, browning still makes the BAR.... does that still take 20 round mags? im considering a "tactical" setup.. as a sniper platform. hitting in .30-06 " Yeah my cousin grabbed one for around 500 before the price jump. The BAR idea sounds fun, but it sounds expensive. Money is the only reason I wouldn't do it. That and magazine availability. Seems like you'd have to pay Class 3 prices for them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	8. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 2:22 PM EDT "Yeah my cousin grabbed one for around 500 before the price jump. The BAR idea sounds fun, but it sounds expensive. Money is the only reason I wouldn't do it. That and magazine availability. Seems like you'd have to pay Class 3 prices for them. " a BAR is around 1100 (honestly im getting a PTR91 soi have NO use for thisidea except for fun) i dont know what the mag market is, but i kinda hate how people charge huge prices for mags. its stupid. the HK mags i got were 3 bucks a piece. the 10/22 mags? about 20 each. its retarded. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	9. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 2:29 PM EDT "a BAR is around 1100 (honestly im getting a PTR91 soi have NO use for thisidea except for fun) i dont know what the mag market is, but i kinda hate how people charge huge prices for mags. its stupid. the HK mags i got were 3 bucks a piece. the 10/22 mags? about 20 each. its retarded." Cousin just bought 2 PSL mags after two years of searching and 50 dollars a piece. F-ing crazy how much mags can be. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	10. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 2:45 PM EDT "Cousin just bought 2 PSL mags after two years of searching and 50 dollars a piece. F-ing crazy how much mags can be. " he should've just gotten a yugo m76 8mm mauser, mags about the same, priced around a grand. QUALITY rifle. RARE. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	11. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 4:23 PM EDT "he should've just gotten a yugo m76 8mm mauser, mags about the same, priced around a grand. QUALITY rifle. RARE. " It was an impulse buy at a gun show. He owns a 1926 Mosin sniper variant and the standard battle rifle. He wanted another rifle that would shoot the same caliber to save having a bunch of different guns with different calibers. We can buy 440 rounds for $90 at the local gun store so it just gives us something bigger than a .22 to shoot all day. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	12. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 8:51 PM EDT The mosin and similar bolt actions have been fighting wars for over 100 years, when war was absolute hell. I would say small arms warfare and zombie warfare should compare rather well. You're shooting at individual persons/zombies, and at a good distance, that's where the rifle shines. And remember, you can't run forever. Humans get tired, and classic zombies don't. They may move ten times slower than you, but like Liam Neeson, they will find you, and they will kill you. Now in terms of bolt action rifles, you can do better. The mosin has a useless safety and an action that could be accused of being clumsy. But for $100 or less, you really can't do better. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
The_survivalist	13. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 8:51 PM EDT Mosins are awesome, but they got quite a few problems. 1, why use a heavy 30 caliber rifle when a .22 will do against zombies? 2, the 91/30 is loud. it can be heard from a block away 3, the mosin carbines are very loud. they sound like a cannon. you will be inviting zombies for miles all around each time you shoot 4, mosins are heavy. even the carbine gets heavy after you walked 6 miles with it. 5, yes ammo is cheap, but it's also corrosive. Mosin's lack chrome lined bores (getting it chrome lined will cost more than 3 mosins). if it's humid and you don't clean right away, the bore will start to rust. after 3 days it'll look like a jungle in there. a jungle of rust. you can say good bye to the rifling if you don't clean the gun very soon after shooting in a humid environment. 6, they have alot of recoil. I shoot mosins alot, I can handle about 100 rounds before my shoulder gets tired. how many do you think you can handle? certainly not enough to shoot all day comfortably. 7, Mosins can shoot 500 meters. when was the last time you needed to shoot 500 meters? 8, a 440 rd tin weighs about 25 pounds. try lugging that around all day! 440 rounds of .22 LR is less than 4 pounds. Mosin's are great rifles, they're just a bit overkill for zombies. how about a .22LR instead? save the Mosin when you need protection from people. people can drive cars and don body armor. people can shoot back at you. that's when you need the Mosin's armor penetrating, long range capable firepower. zombies are just mindless drones, as long as you don't get too close you'll be fine. get a .22lr, shoot zombies with it. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sharpie41	14. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 9:07 PM EDT Piss down the barrel after firing and it'll delay corrosion for awhile. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
nightcreeper78	15. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 9:11 PM EDT "curious question, browning still makes the BAR.... does that still take 20 round mags? im considering a "tactical" setup.. as a sniper platform. hitting in .30-06 " I believe the WW2 models are top ejecting, similar to a Garand, which would complicate an effective scope mounting solution. FN, aka Browning, makes modern semi-auto tactical precision rifles in heavy calibers under the acronym BAR(Browning Automatic Rifle). They are expensive as well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	16. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 11:08 PM EDT "I believe the WW2 models are top ejecting, similar to a Garand, which would complicate an effective scope mounting solution. FN, aka Browning, makes modern semi-auto tactical precision rifles in heavy calibers under the acronym BAR(Browning Automatic Rifle). They are expensive as well. " The shells won't hit the scope. You can put a scope on one, but you need a bent, not strait bolt handle. It will hit the scope every time you use it. The sniper variant uses a scope mount similar to those on the PSL and SVD. It mounts on the side of the rifle instead of on top. You could remove the rear sight block and add a dovetail to picatinny/weaver mount in it's place. Put a red dot (or pistol scope like I did. Pics are on my profile) and you save $75 on finding a bent bolt handle and the cost of mounting. Just realized you were speaking about the BAR. My mistake lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	17. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 20 2012, 11:32 PM EDT "Mosins are awesome, but they got quite a few problems. " 1) A .22 will probably take more than one shot to the head to kill one. You may not have time for follow up shots. 2) More than a block I assure you. .22's are quieter, but still loud. 3) Same concept with more muzzle flash. It's a battle rifle, not a squirrel gun. 4) They are heavy because they were made to be weapons in close quarters and when you ran out of ammo. They weigh as much as a M16 with a M203 grenade launcher. You'll get used to it. 5) I live in South Carolina. It is hot and humid all the time after winter an I've noticed no problems if left for a day. Hopps cleaner will neutralize the corrosive properties of the primers. If you're paranoid, use Windex or carborater cleaner before your normal cleaning. 6) They have a lot of recoil because it's a large round and the bolt action doesn't absorb recoil like a semi-auto. Add a ruber butt pad (I did) to calm it down. Proper form eleminates a good deal of it. In the end you are pushing a .30 cal round out to 500-800 meters. It's going to kick. 7) When might you have to? Plus that power translates into force on the target, punching through glass, metal and body armor. A .22 might not make it through something like a motorcycle helmet or even tree leaves. If I have to sit up somewhere and defend my BOL, I want to deliver a payload at distance that can stop a target in as few rounds as possible. 8) I'll take the security of that 25lbs over that other 4lbs any day. Mosins however are not perfect for everyone's plans. It fits mine just nice so I don't have many complaints. If I could have a 10/22 as a last ditch rifle I would, but if it was one or the other, the Mosin gives me more options than the .22 hands down. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	18. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 21 2012, 12:22 AM EDT "Mosins are awesome, but they got quite a few problems. 1, why use a heavy 30 caliber rifle when a .22 will do against zombies? " some of us arent preparing for the undead.... Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sharpie41	19. RE: Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 Jun 21 2012, 12:28 AM EDT "some of us arent preparing for the undead...." At least not solely for the undead. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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