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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
20. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 9:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 9:54 PM EDT
Bad grips. Shot a .44mag with smooth wood grips during a 98 degree southern day. By the third cylinder my hands started to sweat. Every shot after that I would have to readjust my grip. I don't care how good it looks, suck is still suck.

Speaking of which, people accessorize their rifles with things that have little or no use. If you use it and it serves an actual real life purpose then fine, but don't treat your weapon like a Barbie please. It's a rifle, not a purse. You're not an "operator"(unless you are) so please put the Black Hawk and Surfire catalogue down.

Similar but more specific, fore-end grips on rifles. If you didn't put so much useless crap on your weapon, you wouldn't need the extra leverage. You know what your fore-end grip is? Your magazine well jackhole.

People that have no experience with firearms talking like they do. Full auto is only an option when someone else picks up the tab on the ammo. 9mm kill just as good as a .45 which is just as good as a .22 if you know what you're doing and where/how to shoot.

People that want to run around shooting Zed heads all day, but can't hit a coke can at 10ft. Maybe you should've spent money on shooting lessons instead of that $1,000 pistol that shoots better than you will for the next 2 years when that $300 one will do the job you mall ninja. Only a neophyte would shun the chance to be educated by someone who's sheer, real world experience is older than you.

MALL NINJAS...*facepalm*...
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Frag-12
Frag-12
21. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 9:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 9:55 PM EDT
"Bullpup rifles i just cant stand them, they are kinda akward to reload and are just so damn U-G-L-Y."
Just for you Redcomrad... :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup

http://www.store-rooms.com/gallery/635_634155286468971429_M82A2_1B.jpg

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Sullivan714
Sullivan714
22. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:00 PM EDT
"Bad grips. Shot a .44mag with smooth wood grips during a 98 degree southern day. By the third cylinder my hands started to sweat. Every shot after that I would have to readjust my grip. I don't care how good it looks, suck is still suck.

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I'd have to agree with you. I shot a .44 mag also and although it was fun for a few minutes, I didn't want to shoot it again. I felt like it was a one time experience.
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petranko
petranko
23. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:00 PM EDT
20g double barrel shotgun hated it kick was horrible for a 20g. Do you find this valuable?    
IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
24. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:14 PM EDT
@LJ I agree for the most part but my HD shotgun has a vertical fore grip with integrated tac light and laser and a folding stock, this makes it an ideal CQB HD weapon, the folding stock allows for tight maneuvering and the laser allows for firing from the hip and intimidation, the tac light has a strobe feature for disorientation, weapon is a Mossberg 590 Blackwater 8+1 loaded for escalation encounters, bird shot, followed by 9p 00, followed by a centurion round (slug ball and 6 00) followed by a sabot slug and the order repeats, no re loads Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
25. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:39 PM EDT
1. The "safety" on a Mosin. While I always believe that the best safety is following all the rules of safe handling and that as long as you're paying attention you'll never need your safety, I still like having one I can simply flick on and off. The safety on a Mosin-Nagant, for the uninitiated, is actually the cocking piece with the firing pin and spring attached, pulled back and turned off-center. It takes a ridiculous amount of force to do so and is not something that can be turned on or off quickly. It's less of a safety and more of a way of preventing someone from taking your weapon and firing it at you....because there's only a few humans who can turn the safety off easily.

2. Fire selectors that have to be slid through a middle position. An example would be the Uzi (which is a horizontally sliding switch) or the AK (which goes up and down through 3 positions in an automatic capable rifle). Often it takes a rather exact motion to get it in the middle position, which is a big problem if you have a burst capable Uzi; the full auto position is the far left, which means it's very easy to accidentally switch it to full auto instead of semi-auto, and then accidentally push all the way to the right to activate the safety again. This only affects machine guns, but I think the AR-15 got it right with the rotating switch. There's no way to end up wrong with that, and you'll always know what it's pointing at intuitively.

3. Pre-Generation 4 Glocks. The grip texture is like sandpaper, and I hated it from the moment I held a Glock for the first time.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
26. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:41 PM EDT
"First of all, if there are multiple assailants in your home, why do YOU need to be quiet? I'm gonna yell, "Get out of my home!" or something to that effect. Second, do you expect someone you stick with a bayonet to be quiet?? Lastly, are you gonna store the shotgun with the bayonet on there, or are you going to affix it every time you hear a noise outside? Neither makes much sense to me.

Edit: Details, specificity, wording."
I think his idea is that in a home defense situation, you should silently execute every assailant like a ninja and then desperately try to defend yourself in court.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
27. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:48 PM EDT
"1. The "safety" on a Mosin. "
Trying to get the safety on and off requires epic finger strength. I did test the decocking option on my Mosin and that worked out perfectly. If you need to shoot it afterwards, you can just pull the cocking piece strait back. Part of the safety is that crazy amount of travel the trigger has to go through to fire. Yes, I am serious. It also allows for a rifleman to shoot with a gloved hand better(It's Russian made, when are they not wearing gloves?).

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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
28. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 10:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 10:57 PM EDT
"Trying to get the safety on and off requires epic finger strength. I did test the decocking option on my Mosin and that worked out perfectly. If you need to shoot it afterwards, you can just pull the cocking piece strait back. Part of the safety is that crazy amount of travel the trigger has to go through to fire. Yes, I am serious. It also allows for a rifleman to shoot with a gloved hand better(It's Russian made, when are they not wearing gloves?).

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I tried the decocking trick as well (before I bought it, the guy at the store demonstrated it to me and I failed utterly on my first try and dry fired instead). I really don't like it because not only do you need so much strength to pull it back, but when the cocking piece is forward and the weapon is uncocked the receiver itself gets in the way and gives you less surface to grip.

I actually don't mind the trigger. I don't plan on using the rifle for target shooting or anything that requires me to push the rear sight forward a few notches, so I can stick with irons. The trigger's not a professional target grade one, but it'll hit what I plan on hitting.
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MajorDamage
MajorDamage
29. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 11:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 11:03 PM EDT
"As I have stated befor in other threads, I owned a Desert Eagle, & I hated it. "
and that was your problem: only one Desert Eagle, you needed two to balance your stance

:-)
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
30. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 11:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 11:08 PM EDT
"and that was your problem: only one Desert Eagle, you needed two to balance your stance

:-)"
^^^

F****** right lol!
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MajorDamage
MajorDamage
31. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 11:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 11:14 PM EDT
Greetings TreeLegs:
you came along during my extended absence

to 'olde timers' there was a 'famous' photo of me dual-wielding my 44mag DEs
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
32. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 22 2012, 11:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2012, 11:19 PM EDT
"Greetings TreeLegs:
you came along during my extended absence

to 'olde timers' there was a 'famous' photo of me dual-wielding my 44mag DEs"
Still heard about you however lol.
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zombiezlayer
zombiezlayer
33. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 12:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 12:38 AM EDT
I am not a fan of Glock. It is more like Block. It feels like I am holding a brick. I prefer my Springfield Armory XD 45. Also, I own a Jennings 9mm. Don't buy it. They are cheap, jam constantly and have a God awful trigger pull. Also, not sold on hi-point stuff yet. I have seen good reviews on the reliability of them, but they are dirt cheap and feel awkward just like a Glock. Just seems wrong to buy a brand new 45 acp for less than 200 bucks. Does not give me the warm and fussiest about how well it would perform. Lol

I prefer revolvers for self defense. If you have to make the call to use a weapon in self defense you do not want to have to worry about jams or if the safety is on. Revolvers solve those issues for you.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
34. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 1:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 1:25 AM EDT
"I am not a fan of Glock. It is more like Block. It feels like I am holding a brick. I prefer my Springfield Armory XD 45. Also, I own a Jennings 9mm. Don't buy it. They are cheap, jam constantly and have a God awful trigger pull. Also, not sold on hi-point stuff yet. I have seen good reviews on the reliability of them, but they are dirt cheap and feel awkward just like a Glock. Just seems wrong to buy a brand new 45 acp for less than 200 bucks. Does not give me the warm and fussiest about how well it would perform. Lol

I prefer revolvers for self defense. If you have to make the call to use a weapon in self defense you do not want to have to worry about jams or if the safety is on. Revolvers solve those issues for you."
Their carbines are pretty nice. Own one in 9mm and I'll never get rid of it. At 50yrds I can put all 10rds in a paper plate with little effort. It does feel a bit like a heavy toy gun though lol.
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redcomrad
redcomrad
35. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 1:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 1:27 AM EDT
"First of all, if there are multiple assailants in your home, why do YOU need to be quiet? I'm gonna yell, "Get out of my home!" or something to that effect. Second, do you expect someone you stick with a bayonet to be quiet?? Lastly, are you gonna store the shotgun with the bayonet on there, or are you going to affix it every time you hear a noise outside? Neither makes much sense to me.

Edit: Details, specificity, wording."
reason why? so they dont know were you are at and fill you with holes. just asking what if one of the guys was in your kids room, but there were multiple assailants in your home? you dont want to lead them to your kids room and engage them in a gunfight because that could put the kid at risk. Also if you kill one of their guys and say the guy in you kids room hears that, you may end up at a hostage situation and that could go real badly for you. So if you kill that guy silently the guy in your kids room wont once he hears that shoot or take hostage your kid, or lead the intruders to your location to outnumber you. If you stick that bayonet in that guys neck he wont be able to scream.
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IamSlowRide
IamSlowRide
36. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 1:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 1:39 AM EDT
"reason why? so they dont know were you are at and fill you with holes. just asking what if one of the guys was in your kids room, but there were multiple assailants in your home? you dont want to lead them to your kids room and engage them in a gunfight because that could put the kid at risk. Also if you kill one of their guys and say the guy in you kids room hears that, you may end up at a hostage situation and that could go real badly for you. So if you kill that guy silently the guy in your kids room wont once he hears that shoot or take hostage your kid, or lead the intruders to your location to outnumber you. If you stick that bayonet in that guys neck he wont be able to scream."
That's what suppressors are for _^
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
37. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 2:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 2:07 AM EDT
"reason why? so they dont know were you are at and fill you with holes. just asking what if one of the guys was in your kids room, but there were multiple assailants in your home? you dont want to lead them to your kids room and engage them in a gunfight because that could put the kid at risk. Also if you kill one of their guys and say the guy in you kids room hears that, you may end up at a hostage situation and that could go real badly for you. So if you kill that guy silently the guy in your kids room wont once he hears that shoot or take hostage your kid, or lead the intruders to your location to outnumber you. If you stick that bayonet in that guys neck he wont be able to scream."
I held a Mosberg with one mounted and the thing was stupid heavy, long and awkward. It would deffinitly take some getting used to IMO.

What I actually see happening, is you going to clear your house cause you heard something fall in the kitchen, walk around the corner with your bayoneted shotgun and impaling your kid who tried to take the last of the milk and cookies, but dropped the plate he had them on and tried to run into his bedroom before someone came out because he was going to deny it and blame it on his older brother.

Things like this do happen...
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moshpitmachine
38. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 2:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 2:10 AM EDT
The only gun ive ever fired off that i really, really did not like was the AK platform AMD-65 with a wire buttstock, the reason Cheek Weld!! I have always had it pounded in my head that cheek weld is essential when firing accurately and it just feels awkward to me to have absolutely none of it with that AMD.I mean why have the stock at all in my opinion. Do you find this valuable?    
oldannyboy37
oldannyboy37
39. RE: Our dislikes in firearms.
Jun 23 2012, 4:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2012, 4:00 AM EDT
"The only gun ive ever fired off that i really, really did not like was the AK platform AMD-65 with a wire buttstock, the reason Cheek Weld!! I have always had it pounded in my head that cheek weld is essential when firing accurately and it just feels awkward to me to have absolutely none of it with that AMD.I mean why have the stock at all in my opinion."
Paracord and camoform, my friend. It might not give you a great cheek wield, but it will keep if your pounding your head and rattling your jaws like a wire or underfolder is prone to do =).

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