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Carnack
Carnack
The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 9:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 8:26 AM EDT
So I've been reading about General Shiro Ishii's Unit 731 and the atrocities commited by them against political prisoners and innocent people and I have small scenario for you.

It has been 3 years since The Rise and while most of the zombies have migrated elsewhere the risk is ever present.

Having been forced to quickly abandon your bug out location due to unforseen events you and your spouse find yourself running on low supplies.
You are both capable hunters but find game running scarce.

You happen upon a community in a rebuilt prison and are both welcomed due to your skills as a mechanic and her skills as a nurse.

While the area is guarded nothing stands out as odd.

For the next 3 months you find that the group is fairly well off and is able to sustain itself on supplies from the fenced in areas.

The person helping you fix a vehicle needs a part that isn;t on hand and directs you to the basement level where parts are stored.

Even though you don't know the basement that well you go past what appear to be meat lockers and upon seeing what looks like a supply room you go inside.

Inside you find two bodies strapped to tables. One is a middle aged woman and the other a young boy.

Both have had their torsos opened with surgical precision but appear to be alive.

You rush back out of the room and to the other mechanic and cover up what you saw.

A few days pass and no one mentions the room to you or your spouse.

So what now?
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BamaChris
BamaChris
1. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:09 PM EDT
We pack our gear and leave. Do you find this valuable?    
wantmarmite
wantmarmite
2. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:14 PM EDT
"So I've been reading about General Shiro Ishii's Unit 731 and the atrocities commited by them against political prisoners and innocent people and I have small scenario for you.

It has been 3 years since The Rise and while most of the zombies have migrated elsewhere the risk is ever present.

Having been forced to quickly abandon your bug out location due to unforseen events you and your spouse find yourself running on low supplies.
You are both capable hunters but find game running scarce.

You happen upon a community in a rebuilt prison and are both welcomed due to your skills as a mechanic and her skills as a nurse.

While the area is guarded nothing stands out as odd.

For the next 3 months you find that the group is fairly well off and is able to sustain itself on supplies from the fenced in areas.

The person helping you fix a vehicle needs a part that isn;t on hand and directs you to the basement level where parts are stored.

Even though you don't know the basement that well you go past what appear to be meat lockers and upon seeing what looks like a supply room you go inside.

Inside you find two bodies strapped to tables. One is a middle aged woman and the other a young boy.

Both have had their chest cavities opened with surgical precision and appear to be alive.

You rush back out of the room and to the other mechanic and cover up what you saw.

A few days pass and no one mentions the room to you or your spouse.

So what now?"
Are they zombies or human? I don't give a crap about zombies. They don't feel pain. If they are human, I would make a carefully make plans on leaving. I wouldn't want to get caught leaving and have them think we were simply there to spy on them.
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Carnack
Carnack
3. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:15 PM EDT
They are alive. Or to be precise they had no markings or signs of being anything other than alive.

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Carnack
Carnack
4. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:19 PM EDT
One question for you both.

You have not been threatened and it has been implied that you two are valuable members.
This implies that you are safe at this point.

Does this fact change your answer at all? Because aside from people getting vivisected this place is damn near perfect.
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toxic_shock
toxic_shock
5. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:22 PM EDT
I'm out. Valuable members or not, I don't want to be the next one on that table. The trust we had with this group is gone. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
TreeLegs
TreeLegs
6. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:31 PM EDT
Man I miss your senarios lol. I remember me and Fila going at it tooth and nail a couple times(very fun debate partner by the way). Glad you decided to do another.

Honestly, I might just leave it be. I don't know the details so I don't wish to assume too much. They might be "legit" experiments by a doctor that is trying to find some way to cure the disease or testing it's capabilities on recently infected people.

The problem for me is that I just don't know what is going on. I would need more info to make an informed decision.

Edit: I'd stay and make myself as useful as possible to better secure my position. It's either the threat of a supposed mad experiment at a stellar place or leaving and possibly facing worse horrors. Guess I'm saying I'll stick with the devil I know...for now.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
7. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:27 PM EDT
"One question for you both.

You have not been threatened and it has been implied that you two are valuable members.
This implies that you are safe at this point.

Does this fact change your answer at all? Because aside from people getting vivisected this place is damn near perfect."
And when one of us is no longer a valuable member anymore?

If they're capable of this, they are capable of much worse. Staying with them is like sleeping next to a cannibal. Pass.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
8. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:28 PM EDT
None of my business really.

I might find out who here is a surgeon and keep track of the number of people who live here.

Since we are new here, have our firearms been taken from us?
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
9. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:29 PM EDT
"The problem for me is that I just don't know what is going on. I would need more info to make an informed decision. "
While I'm making plans to leave, maybe more information will come out. But asking direct questions might tip them off. I wouldn't trust them with an inkling of suspicion that I know what they're up to.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
10. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:34 PM EDT
"While I'm making plans to leave, maybe more information will come out. But asking direct questions might tip them off. I wouldn't trust them with an inkling of suspicion that I know what they're up to. "
Agree
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timberrattler
timberrattler
11. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:35 PM EDT
"While I'm making plans to leave, maybe more information will come out. But asking direct questions might tip them off. I wouldn't trust them with an inkling of suspicion that I know what they're up to. "
What exactly are they "up to"? You're making assumptions here.

Perhaps there's a reason for this.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
12. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:40 PM EDT
Problem solving is a big part of my job. The guy who trained me in always broke down the word assume when I assumed. *Ass-u-me* When you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

Facts and hard evidence are worth a lot more than assumptions when you're working on a problem.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
13. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:40 PM EDT
"What exactly are they "up to"? You're making assumptions here.

Perhaps there's a reason for this."
Living people with their chest cavities open. They don't immediately appear to be zombies.

There is a slim possibility that they are working on a cure. But I'm highly doubtful. These aren't people I want to grow too dependent on. If the information isn't readily available, they're probably hiding it for a reason. Any trust built has been lost with their lies. The risks are too high to stick around.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
14. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:41 PM EDT
"Problem solving is a big part of my job. The guy who trained me in always broke down the word assume when I assumed. *Ass-u-me* When you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

Facts and hard evidence are worth a lot more than assumptions when you're working on a problem."
I'd rather make an arse of myself than be naive and dead.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
15. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:43 PM EDT
"Living people with their chest cavities open. They don't immediately appear to be zombies.

There is a slim possibility that they are working on a cure. But I'm highly doubtful. These aren't people I want to grow too dependent on. If the information isn't readily available, they're probably hiding it for a reason. Any trust built has been lost with their lies. The risks are too high to stick around. "
How much longer will you and your spouse live on squirrels and berries out there in the wasteland?

Strength in numbers is worth a lot 3 years post-Z.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
16. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:46 PM EDT
"How much longer will you and your spouse live on squirrels and berries out there in the wasteland?

Strength in numbers is worth a lot 3 years post-Z."
If they found our skills valuable, it's possible another group will find our skills valuable. Looks like we barked up the wrong tree.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
17. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 10:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 10:55 PM EDT
"If they found our skills valuable, it's possible another group will find our skills valuable. Looks like we barked up the wrong tree. "
"Another group"? I don't think that 3 years post-apoc that you'll be able to find many towns let alone towns willing to take in another mouth to feed. Especially a mouth they don't know.

I believe that finding another community might be something like looking for a needle in a haystack. Except this haystack is full of zombies and not all of the survivors are friendly.

How will the members of this community view someone crazy enough to leave the comfort and safety of their town for the uncertainty of the wasteland? Someone just might put 2 and 2 together.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
18. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 11:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 11:02 PM EDT
""Another group"? I don't think that 3 years post-apoc that you'll be able to find many towns let alone towns willing to take in another mouth to feed. Especially a mouth they don't know.

I believe that finding another community might be something like looking for a needle in a haystack. Except this haystack is full of zombies and not all of the survivors are friendly.

How will the members of this community view someone crazy enough to leave the comfort and safety of their town for the uncertainty of the wasteland? Someone just might put 2 and 2 together."
I wouldn't let them know in advance that we planned to leave.

If you prefer to take your chances with people like that, based on the information available, go for it. But I wouldn't stick around for that.

One thing's for sure. If I found out they were experimenting on live people simply for crimes they committed or something of the like, I'd have a really hard time not poisoning their water supply on the way out.
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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
19. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 24 2012, 11:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2012, 11:12 PM EDT
I would stay for a short time. I would stash away personally salvaged tools supplies and equipment when possible. I would leave with one of the vehicles. Do you find this valuable?    
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