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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
40. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 5:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 5:58 AM EDT
@ Rain
Why does it matter where someone gets their morals? Does it really matter if it's from a "Holy" book, society, or Sesame Street.
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BigLoki
BigLoki
41. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 7:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 7:28 AM EDT
Well... quite the "rock and a hard place" situation. I would likely keep quiet about what I have seen to all except the female nurse I arrived with. I would also very likely do a good bit of sneaking around, in hopes of getting a better grasp on what the hell is going on around there.

During that time, since I have my gear back, I would feel relatively ok with remaining in the "camp". However I would be wheeling and dealing, to try and replenish my traveling gear as fast as possible.

If it were just me, I would likely stay, and risk having to defend myself. As at this point, I would have no knowledge of their activities in their minds, and am deemed as useful.

Because the woman I came in with is a nurse... there is a possibility that she may end up somehow involved in this "experimenting". If that were to happen, then depending upon the reason, we may not be able to leave without bloodshed after that. IF I could get our gear back in order, we would likely slip away quietly at our earliest opportunity, and never speak of that place again.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
42. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 7:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 7:51 AM EDT
"

TR. You go on about assUme. But you assUme there isn't other colonies/settlements and or they won't welcome new members.
"
Wouldn't an apocolyptic event mean that at least 90% of the population has been scourged from the face of the earth? What truely is the chance of finding another living soul let alone an entire working colony on the face of the earth? He said three years after so you also have to account for everyone who'd have died due to lack of medical supplies and hospitals.

Just going off of what people have said here, they won't take too kindly to strangers. After three years people are going to be pretty paranoid and other forms of crazy. I can't "prove" how things will be but I can use my own form of logic however un-logical others may find it.

Them's the facts according to me. What say you?
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
43. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 8:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 8:21 AM EDT
"Wouldn't an apocolyptic event mean that at least 90% of the population has been scourged from the face of the earth? What truely is the chance of finding another living soul let alone an entire working colony on the face of the earth? He said three years after so you also have to account for everyone who'd have died due to lack of medical supplies and hospitals.

Just going off of what people have said here, they won't take too kindly to strangers. After three years people are going to be pretty paranoid and other forms of crazy. I can't "prove" how things will be but I can use my own form of logic however un-logical others may find it.

Them's the facts according to me. What say you?"
I don't care what my odds of finding new people are. I'm not staying with these people. They've shown me what they are capable of doing to a human being. The very real possibility exists that at some point, I'll do something they don't agree with and it will piss them off. I'm not sticking around to find out what the consequences would be.

I'd take my chances alone or just the 2 of us as a couple out there.
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Carnack
Carnack
44. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 8:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 8:31 AM EDT
"Wouldn't an apocolyptic event mean that at least 90% of the population has been scourged from the face of the earth?"
Not always. It would not take nearly that much to drive us back to having to live like our ancestors.

The inability to run our infrastructure due to low numbers and a full dissolving of leadership could do it.

And depending on how things are it may be better option.

I have church right noiw but I will push you further when I come back.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
45. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 8:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 8:45 AM EDT
Apocalypse plus another 3yrs of death. For this discussion we will use a bleak survival rate of 1%.
So within a days walk of my country home (15mi). A 1% survival rate means 200 people.
I really don't think they all would be in this one colony.
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
46. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:02 AM EDT
Pulling some craziness out of her stomach? Sounds to me like some parasite. Maybe this guy is on to something?

It amazes me that people are so taken back by this. I didn't figure jumping to conclusions was a good survival strategy. Besides, you know how many scientist that helped shaped modern word were actually Nazis snatched up by project Paperclip? Some is their methods were absolutely terrible, but the information was absolutely priceless and paved the way for a lot of things we take for granted.

It's like people that love cheese burgers, but freak out over watching a cow be slaughtered.
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BamaChris
BamaChris
47. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:23 AM EDT
"Pulling some craziness out of her stomach? Sounds to me like some parasite. Maybe this guy is on to something?

It amazes me that people are so taken back by this. I didn't figure jumping to conclusions was a good survival strategy. Besides, you know how many scientist that helped shaped modern word were actually Nazis snatched up by project Paperclip? Some is their methods were absolutely terrible, but the information was absolutely priceless and paved the way for a lot of things we take for granted.

It's like people that love cheese burgers, but freak out over watching a cow be slaughtered. "
If it were a legitimate medical procedure, why is it being done in secret? If my wife is valued as being a nurse, why did she not know anything about it?

I also question the fact that, after my probationary period, only part of my weapons load was returned to me. That seems designed to keep me dependent on the colony more than it seems like good policy.

No, I would take my stuff and go. (plus whatever food we managed to horde)
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TreeLegs
TreeLegs
48. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:32 AM EDT
"If it were a legitimate medical procedure, why is it being done in secret? If my wife is valued as being a nurse, why did she not know anything about it?"
Just because something is done in secret doesn't mean it's nefarious. It just means...wait, we don't know what it means.

Just because Spouse knows nothing, doesn't mean it isn't legit. If everyone in the medical team there needs to know about it they would've told them. Maybe the doctor is the only one that knows what he is doing and has the blessing from the leadership. Maybe they just think that the lay people wouldn't understand what he was trying to do for the good of the community.

The supplies shake up might be a totally seperate issue. The biggest thing is we just don't know what the hell is going on.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
49. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:34 AM EDT
"Pulling some craziness out of her stomach? Sounds to me like some parasite. Maybe this guy is on to something?

It amazes me that people are so taken back by this. I didn't figure jumping to conclusions was a good survival strategy. Besides, you know how many scientist that helped shaped modern word were actually Nazis snatched up by project Paperclip? Some is their methods were absolutely terrible, but the information was absolutely priceless and paved the way for a lot of things we take for granted.

It's like people that love cheese burgers, but freak out over watching a cow be slaughtered. "
I'd rather not have the advances from the Nazis than the damage they did to their test subjects.

I've watched a cow slaughtered as a kid, we even named it. I'm just fine thanks.
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
50. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:37 AM EDT
Okay, I'm going to respond to the whole thread. Firstly, it could be a legitamite medical proceedure, and now that I find out there was something weird in a girl's stomach, I think maybe it's being kept quiet so people don't freak out. I'll get everything ready to go and go talk to the higher-ups about it. If I don't like their reaction, I'll hit the road.

Anyway, about poisoning them for experimenting on criminals, here's the thing, you're saying:
a. Criminals do wrong +
b. People do wrong to them=
c. You poison people

So, Batman kills the Joker, therefore you must poison Batman?

Also, isn't "criminals" a vauge term.

Also, like I said, if they are taking a wriggling thing out of someone's stomach, it's either a medical proceedure or a weird experiment, as in they are the reason it was in there.

I think I'll pack my gear and bide my time, try to find out more and see if it's safe to talk to the authority figures here.

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BamaChris
BamaChris
51. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:39 AM EDT
"Just because something is done in secret doesn't mean it's nefarious. It just means...wait, we don't know what it means.

Just because Spouse knows nothing, doesn't mean it isn't legit. If everyone in the medical team there needs to know about it they would've told them. Maybe the doctor is the only one that knows what he is doing and has the blessing from the leadership. Maybe they just think that the lay people wouldn't understand what he was trying to do for the good of the community.

The supplies shake up might be a totally seperate issue. The biggest thing is we just don't know what the hell is going on."
In a post-apoc colony, how many medical people do you expect to have? Since my wife is valued for her skills as a nurse, there is the assumption of a limited medical staff.

Many things done "for the good of the community" were still horrendous. If there is some sort of parasite, the people should know about it. If people from the colony are being used in some sort of experiment, I don't want to be a part of it. If it is simply medical work being done on strangers it isn't any better. If its vivicection of corpses found outside the compound, there would have been some word of finding them.

No, there is enough info to know I don't want to wait until I am no longer as valued or until I fall from the good graces of the leader.
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
52. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:44 AM EDT
Also, I don't totally agree with RainofMails here either. Everyone has their morals from years of thought, experience, listening, and reading. People decide what's right and wrong in complex ways. Some get morals based on religion, some want to make themselves feel good, some base it off what feels right. In the end, morals based on situation are know morals at all.
As for the Bible, I'm not getting into that. I'm a Christian, but I won't risk talking about my beleifs, as it will escalate.
Morals are complicated.

Anyway, the thing is, we don't have a f*cking clue what's going on. If you want to stay for the food or leave out of fear, go ahead, but I think it's best to pack your stuff but stick around and try to figure the people out.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
53. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:51 AM EDT
"Okay, I'm going to respond to the whole thread. Firstly, it could be a legitamite medical proceedure, and now that I find out there was something weird in a girl's stomach, I think maybe it's being kept quiet so people don't freak out. I'll get everything ready to go and go talk to the higher-ups about it. If I don't like their reaction, I'll hit the road.

Anyway, about poisoning them for experimenting on criminals, here's the thing, you're saying:
a. Criminals do wrong +
b. People do wrong to them=
c. You poison people

So, Batman kills the Joker, therefore you must poison Batman?

Also, isn't "criminals" a vauge term.

Also, like I said, if they are taking a wriggling thing out of someone's stomach, it's either a medical proceedure or a weird experiment, as in they are the reason it was in there.

I think I'll pack my gear and bide my time, try to find out more and see if it's safe to talk to the authority figures here.

"
My posts are based on the initial scenario. And if people would freak out, it's because they have a reason to freak out. Post-apoc, they deserve to know what is happening within their home.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
54. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 9:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 9:55 AM EDT
"Also, I don't totally agree with RainofMails here either. Everyone has their morals from years of thought, experience, listening, and reading. People decide what's right and wrong in complex ways. Some get morals based on religion, some want to make themselves feel good, some base it off what feels right. In the end, morals based on situation are know morals at all.
As for the Bible, I'm not getting into that. I'm a Christian, but I won't risk talking about my beleifs, as it will escalate.
Morals are complicated.

Anyway, the thing is, we don't have a f*cking clue what's going on. If you want to stay for the food or leave out of fear, go ahead, but I think it's best to pack your stuff but stick around and try to figure the people out."
How long do you stick around for? I'd be packing up inconspicuously and hoping more information is coming. But if it isn't readily available, do you really sit there and wait? Can you trust these people? They're witholding important information from you.

I expect some morals to lapse. But there should always be a line or you can't trust the people within your community.
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vampirejediknight
vampirejediknight
55. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 10:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
"How long do you stick around for? I'd be packing up inconspicuously and hoping more information is coming. But if it isn't readily available, do you really sit there and wait? Can you trust these people? They're witholding important information from you.

I expect some morals to lapse. But there should always be a line or you can't trust the people within your community."
I agree about morals.

The thing about withholding information is, you don't know why. You don't even know who "they" are yet. Of course, you should assume you can't trust anyone at this point, but there could easily be any number of valid reasons for this. I'm going to see what I can find out.
If things don't look like I'll get killed for asking, I'll discreetly and calmly talk to the people in charge. If it just looks too weird and foreboding, I'll hit the road and the safest time I can.
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SteelRain
SteelRain
56. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 10:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 10:10 AM EDT
It's important to temper my emotions with reason. Before I go in all half-cocked, are these people on anesthetic of any kind? Do I know these people? Do I know this doctor? How well do I know and trust leadership? Is there anyone besides my spouse that I know and trust? I cannot make a judgment without this information. If I am as valued as you say I am, then there's no harm in asking someone I trust. For all I know, these people could have been sick. If this is an evil act, I need to see how systemic the corruption is. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Carnack
Carnack
57. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 12:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 12:25 PM EDT
A week later you sent down yet again and again peek in.

An old (70+) man is strapped down but doesn't appear to be have been opened like the others.

Not seeing anyone you open the door and quietly poke your head in and though he twitches at your presence he makes no sound.

Still something strikes you as off and it takes you a minute to realize that his arms are backwards. Elbows bending forward. You note the presence of stitches around the shoulders indicating that his arms have been surgically switched then immediatly exit and report to your spouse your latest find.
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=jesse=
=jesse=
58. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 12:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 12:17 PM EDT
lol, Carnack I can't believe you actually wrote this out. I've had this scenario as a recurring nightmare for years now. Not the old man with bent arms, but being part of a group and finding this.

In my dreams it usually works out that they're cannibals or doing something satanic. I don't want to say that my dreams would take a part in my real life decision....but they may. Usually my response in my dreams is use extreme prejudice (of course in my dreams I know who is good and who is bad).
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SteelRain
SteelRain
59. RE: The Limits of Your Moral Endurance
Jun 25 2012, 12:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 25 2012, 12:39 PM EDT
"A week later you sent down yet again and again peek in.

An old (70+) man is strapped down but doesn't appear to be have been opened like the others.

Not seeing anyone you open the door and quietly poke your head in and though he twitches at your presence he makes no sound.

Still something strikes you as off and it takes you a minute to realize that his arms are backwards. Elbows bending forward. You note the presence of stitches around the shoulders indicating that his arms have been surgically switched then immediatly exit and report to your spouse your latest find."
All this is doing is making me morally outraged and only confirming that the doctor is evil. If he is a doctor. Could be a mortician. Anyways. I will take no action until I know who else is in league with him.
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