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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
40. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 3:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 4:11 PM EDT
No females and thank goodness.... only one reason I can think of that being the response ;)

100 people and only 60 with any training If I take out 45% of them with my plan that leave 27 fighters and 18 others if the 55% with this new info I can modify my plan. They have no walls as they are a camp and people from my colony are surrounding them. We know the area and that they only have 3 paths to the colony in total and only 1 from their location. We wouldn't wait the 2 months we would watch them carefully and prepare for multiple possibilities until we are certain of their intentions.

If they made their demands after say an obscene maximum of 3 weeks we would follow the original plan. Due to the terrain and the old logging roads there are very limited places they could start up a camp especially one for 100 people as the clearing are not accessible by vehicle, They cannot construct on water. This is where knowing your terrain helps the only location 5 miles out that would offer a suitable site for a group of that size is a former logging camp backed by an earth and rubble pile firebreak at the dip. These are common in my area and integrated into my defensive plans as they were constructed by the ministry of natural resources for forest fire management.

We would wait and watch if they gear up for an attack we hit them the second they come out and are unaware that we are even there. Since they for some ungodly reason use loud motorcycles we would have plenty of warning and cover for our shots. They wouldn't be able to use the bikes on the few trails that leaves only the rough road as an access point. I would never give anyone a paved road right to my doorstep. They have 2 choices a rough ride and walk through dense bush and we are waiting at their doorstep. . We would in turn demand their surrender and disarming. We would wait them out their supplies would eventually run dry.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
41. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 3:36 PM EDT
"This is assuming a great deal. Being heavily armed and in the area is worthy of attention but on a discreet basis. Plan on issues but don't act on them till evidence is present.

Don't treat them like something until you have proof of it or else you may MAKE them enemies if they weren't already.

Because at that first moment they could be a traveling group of clowns for all the info you have.

This is warranting another scenario."
That's why you check them out before they get dug in or show up with demands.

Being careful is okay but for two months and they now have the upper hand.
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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
42. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 4:27 PM EDT
If I allow them free reign of the area I would be very negligent. We would endeavor to keep knowledge of the area from them. We will be watching them carefully from the series of underground concealed bunker akin to those used by the polish resistance during the Second World War. They are part of my defenses contained in my 40 page profile lol. The brush is thick and since they are motorcycle ex soldiers or what have you they are hardly woodsmen. I can assume this because anyone who brings a street motorcycle into the woods on rough roads cannot know what they are doing. I know a few solider/ woodsmen who would arch an eyebrow at such a silly idea. We would watch them and study them intently. If the motorcycle is used as a combat vehicle…. Their skill level could not be as high as claimed as others have said it offers no protection and the noise would deafen them.

If we determined them to be hostile, we would deal with them rapidly. If we determined them to be grandstanding due to lack of food we would take pity on them we could always use the man power. We wouldn't wait until they had built defenses so 3 weeks would be the extreme maximum never 2 months. The confrontation would take place not at my city walls but at their doorstep. I would give me 5 miles of bush to pull back through. A few chopped down logs could block their path hindering their motorcycle advance. Hostiles will be scouted and dealt with instantly I wouldn’t allow them to become entrenched.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
43. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 4:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 4:28 PM EDT
"So your gonna contaminate your pigs (meat) with meat or bodies.
Why not just bury them, it,s not like your hiding evidence from the police/CSI.
"
Freshly turned ground would suggest buried bodies, unless you are plowing an entire field. Imagine your scouts are missing, you turn up at a camp and they say "nope, haven't seen 'em" and you can see topsoil has been disturbed well after planting season. What would you think?
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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
44. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 4:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 4:46 PM EDT
Bury them under something or maybe bury them in a grave yard. 10 bodies in a deep shaft in a grave yard could provide cover. A single wooden headstone and a box filled with random ashes, plausable denyability. We cremate our dead due to the undead but still give them a decent burrial. If they dig they dig until they reach the box of ashes standing in for the person in the grave. People will have died between founding and this date unfortunatly. It is just a thought though. Myself I would use the rivers and lakes and float them away as they flow in the oposite direction of where their camp would be. Dump it 20 miles out and let the bears have it.

To deal with stragglers or with the first group I would not willingly use guns as they are loud.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
45. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 5:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 5:36 PM EDT
"Why "thank goodness" no females?"
I know right?

Who would wash the dishes, make me a grilled cheese sammich and bring me a beer? Oh and who would you play "hide the rattlesnake" with?
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
46. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 5:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 5:37 PM EDT
"Freshly turned ground would suggest buried bodies, unless you are plowing an entire field. Imagine your scouts are missing, you turn up at a camp and they say "nope, haven't seen 'em" and you can see topsoil has been disturbed well after planting season. What would you think?"
Pigs don't eat everything and then you have to dispose of what is left anyway. There is other places as woods or in a livestock pen to cover the graves.
Plus I won't be letting anyone just roam my BOL/ colony especially a hostile force.

I was just saying meat isn't good for your pigs and bloody raw meat can turn them viscous.
Plus only real hungry pigs will devour a corpse let alone 10. Pigs that hungry aren't being taken care of and are dangerous. 10 bodies at 180lbs each would require 2-3 hungry 300lb hogs each to eat in a day. Minimum. So you gonna have 20-30 hogs and more than a day to dispose of the corpses.
Just seems quicker and easier to find another method to me.


Not trying to be contrary. Just a observation.


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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
47. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 5:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 5:43 PM EDT
"I know right?

Who would wash the dishes, make me a grilled cheese sammich and bring me a beer? Oh and who would you play "hide the rattlesnake" with?"
Sharpie aka Pinky
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=jesse=
=jesse=
48. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 6:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 6:01 PM EDT
"I know right?

Who would wash the dishes, make me a grilled cheese sammich and bring me a beer? Oh and who would you play "hide the rattlesnake" with?"
I actually make a pretty darn good grilled cheese. I guess I can make you one if there are no chicks around. You know...just don't take me for granted. Maybe have a nice conversation with me from time to time or buy me something nice.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
49. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 6:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
"Sharpie aka Pinky"
You want to play hide the rattlesnake with Sharpie? I don't know if he'd like that.
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x-wolfhunter
x-wolfhunter
50. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 6:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 6:52 PM EDT
"(OP)"
Never fight unless you absolutely HAVE to.

I would consent to what he says, but here's what I'd do:

I'd hide my women and say I only have children (Hopefully they're not into kids) but that I'd be happy to give them to him as soon as they get their blood.

I'd sneak away the women, children, and elderly in small groups so as not to leave a wide swath of trail to follow. Obviously, I'd send a group of men ahead to prepare the new location for temporary shelter.

After that, I'd send away the men, again in small groups, while maintaining the outward semblance of a bustling, full community. Finally, still giving the other group what they need, I would slip away myself with the remaining men and head for the new location. When I reach there, we'd stay there while sending out small probes to find a new location about a week or so away. If a new location can be found, we'd all go there.

Of course, no plan is perfect, so feel free to pick apart mine in any way you feel in either necessary or constructive.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
51. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 7:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 7:05 PM EDT
"Pigs don't eat everything and then you have to dispose of what is left anyway. There is other places as woods or in a livestock pen to cover the graves.
Plus I won't be letting anyone just roam my BOL/ colony especially a hostile force.

I was just saying meat isn't good for your pigs and bloody raw meat can turn them viscous.
Plus only real hungry pigs will devour a corpse let alone 10. Pigs that hungry aren't being taken care of and are dangerous. 10 bodies at 180lbs each would require 2-3 hungry 300lb hogs each to eat in a day. Minimum. So you gonna have 20-30 hogs and more than a day to dispose of the corpses.
Just seems quicker and easier to find another method to me.


Not trying to be contrary. Just a observation.


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Numbers! Yay!

Going from popular culture, teeth and hair would be the leftovers. But when shovelling the manure for those days, spreading it on crops should prevent anyone spotting an errant tooth.

Time-wise, the second scout group likely won't show for a few days, allowing the pigs ample time to chew slowly.

Burial in the woods would be tough. Tree roots are hard to dig around, through or under.

Livestock pen would cover the smell of decomposition, but might cause odd behaviour in the animals. Their movement over the ground might dig up the bodies, and given the compacted nature of soil in livestock pens, would be a bastard to dig to any depth so the bodies are likely to be at a shallow depth making their uncovering more possible.
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Carnack
Carnack
52. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 7:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 7:18 PM EDT
"That's why you check them out before they get dug in or show up with demands.

Being careful is okay but for two months and they now have the upper hand."
Only so much info you can collect and none of it will be very specific.

What action could you take with nothing but what you see? What if all you see is daily work? That tells nothing.

How would you even know they were bad news?

This goes for Shadow too. Unless the OP can tell us what went on those 2 months the first indicator we got that they were bad occurs on the day they make their demand.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
53. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 10:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 10:44 PM EDT
"You want to play hide the rattlesnake with Sharpie? I don't know if he'd like that. "
How about hide the mushrooms?

AKA Hornady Hollowpoints
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
54. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 10:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 10:57 PM EDT
"Numbers! Yay!

Going from popular culture, teeth and hair would be the leftovers. But when shovelling the manure for those days, spreading it on crops should prevent anyone spotting an errant tooth.

Time-wise, the second scout group likely won't show for a few days, allowing the pigs ample time to chew slowly.

Burial in the woods would be tough. Tree roots are hard to dig around, through or under.

Livestock pen would cover the smell of decomposition, but might cause odd behaviour in the animals. Their movement over the ground might dig up the bodies, and given the compacted nature of soil in livestock pens, would be a bastard to dig to any depth so the bodies are likely to be at a shallow depth making their uncovering more possible."
For one you're not gonna bury then six feet under. A shallow grave is all that's needed.
Not all livestock pens are packed solid or have to have animals in them at all times. A sheep pen for nigjt or emergency use won't put excessive weight on the graves in the limited time needed.

As for a return party (second group). If you're only five miles away and your party doesn't return the same day what would you do.
I would send another party ASAP that day to check where they are. If they don't find the first group they are to return ASAP. Then I will be coming in force at first light at the latest. To expect anything less is tempting fate.

Now I don't care if how you dispose of the corpses. But now that your hogs have the taste for blood what now. Some will try and attack anyone trying to feed or clean their pens. And you could of contaminated their meat too.
Is it really worth it? Your choice.
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RainofMails
RainofMails
55. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 11:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 11:00 PM EDT
"For one you're not gonna bury then six feet under. A shallow grave is all that's needed.
Not all livestock pens are packed solid or have to have animals in them at all times. A sheep pen for nigjt or emergency use won't put excessive weight on the graves in the limited time needed.

As for a return party (second group). If you're only five miles away and your party doesn't return the same day what would you do.
I would send another party ASAP that day to check where they are. If they don't find the first group they are to return ASAP. Then I will be coming in force at first light at the latest. To expect anything less is tempting fate.

Now I don't care if how you dispose of the corpses. But now that your hogs have the taste for blood what now. Some will try and attack anyone trying to feed or clean their pens. And you could of contaminated their meat too.
Is it really worth it? Your choice."
If you're going to feed people to livestock and then eat the livestock you might as well just eat the people.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
56. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 11:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 11:37 PM EDT
"Only so much info you can collect and none of it will be very specific.

What action could you take with nothing but what you see? What if all you see is daily work? That tells nothing.

How would you even know they were bad news?

This goes for Shadow too. Unless the OP can tell us what went on those 2 months the first indicator we got that they were bad occurs on the day they make their demand."
You can find out enough about layout, strength, weapons, and routines if any.
If recon was worthless the military would of stopped doing it decades ago.
Once you know strengths you can do a meet and greet to check them out and hopefully find out their intentions.
Sitting around waiting on them because you might not find out enough is letting them get stronger in their position/base.

And if deemed a threat you can either retreat or attack depending on what you find out and your abilities.

But to just let them dictate your actions from the start isn't in my vocabulary.
I will retreat if they are to strong. But I will not sit idle waiting for them to play nice or not.

Edit spelling and below
Recon can tell you if they are farming. A indicator if a settlement or base. And also if they are building a defenses, type, and observed strengths.
You can tell enough.
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wantmarmite
wantmarmite
57. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 10 2012, 11:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 10 2012, 11:17 PM EDT
"Never fight unless you absolutely HAVE to.

I would consent to what he says, but here's what I'd do:

I'd hide my women and say I only have children (Hopefully they're not into kids) but that I'd be happy to give them to him as soon as they get their blood.

I'd sneak away the women, children, and elderly in small groups so as not to leave a wide swath of trail to follow. Obviously, I'd send a group of men ahead to prepare the new location for temporary shelter.

After that, I'd send away the men, again in small groups, while maintaining the outward semblance of a bustling, full community. Finally, still giving the other group what they need, I would slip away myself with the remaining men and head for the new location. When I reach there, we'd stay there while sending out small probes to find a new location about a week or so away. If a new location can be found, we'd all go there.

Of course, no plan is perfect, so feel free to pick apart mine in any way you feel in either necessary or constructive."
http://youtu.be/hMtZfW2z9dw

Hide your women, hide your kids...
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redcomrad
redcomrad
58. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 11 2012, 1:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2012, 1:20 AM EDT
"I stopped reading there. No females thank goodness?

And what are we ferengi's? Why do posters refer to women/girls as "females"? There seem to be men and there seem to be females. Like we're this whole other category/species. "
I didn't mean it that way if you were thinking that way I meant it in the fact i wont have to worry about these dudes taking and raping any female i have in my group i doubt they would care to rape a bunch of teenaged males soo...
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RainofMails
RainofMails
59. RE: Scenario: Rival group demanding tribute.
Jul 11 2012, 1:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2012, 1:32 AM EDT
" i doubt they would care to rape a bunch of teenaged males soo... "
roughly 1 in 50 American men are homosexual, in a group of 100 men who came to rape there's bound to be one who will be more than happy to bend you over a table.
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