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Randyofpirate	I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 11:47 AM EDT I watched a show last night called I, Caveman. Morgan spurlock, the guy that ate mcdonalds for 30 days did this documentary. He took 9 people with pretty much no expertise into the woods and gave them only primitive tools. They had to wear animal skin and hunt and gather food. By the third day, most of the group was so hungry, they started shutting down mentally. It took them 6 days to finally kill something substantial to feed the group and that is because the producers called in a guy to give them atlatl spear throwers. If they had not have gotten those, they would have starved to death. Most were severely dehydrated for the majority of the show as well. They were only there for 10 days and 2 people quit the show. I was watching this and really re-evaluating my beliefs on just how many survivors there would be in any kind of apoc where it forced people to hunt and gather food and get clean drinking water. After watching that show, i doubt if more than 1% would survive the first few months. Has anyone else seen this show? Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: apoc documentary food gathering hunting survival TV water
shadowmancer	1. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 1:35 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 1:38 PM EDT heh yeah I've seen it and it underlines the need to understand bushcraft beautifully. Your tech will run out or fail eventually and if you don't know what your doing you are screwed :) Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LWJ2009	2. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 3:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 3:47 PM EDT "I watched a show last night called I, Caveman. Morgan spurlock, the guy that ate mcdonalds for 30 days did this documentary. He took 9 people with pretty much no expertise into the woods and gave them only primitive tools. They had to wear animal skin and hunt and gather food. By the third day, most of the group was so hungry, they started shutting down mentally. It took them 6 days to finally kill something substantial to feed the group and that is because the producers called in a guy to give them atlatl spear throwers. If they had not have gotten those, they would have starved to death. Most were severely dehydrated for the majority of the show as well. They were only there for 10 days and 2 people quit the show. I was watching this and really re-evaluating my beliefs on just how many survivors there would be in any kind of apoc where it forced people to hunt and gather food and get clean drinking water. After watching that show, i doubt if more than 1% would survive the first few months. Has anyone else seen this show?" Yes the principles apply, however were not all going to be using spears to gather food as well. The wonderful thing about guns is they don't need a battery to run, just some TLC and CLP and some rounds to put through them. We also have many other wonderful things to create fire without having to resort to the two sticks method. Your 1 percent theory is a bit low IMO, unless your talking about a global nuke war. In some areas your going to have very high survival rates, while in others it might be only about ten percent of the population. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BigLoki	3. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 4:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 4:00 PM EDT I believe that that "1%" figure is pretty low. On any show, ANY, they will skew the participants to illustrate the point they are trying to make. Like the super retarded guy that can't figure out the spatula on the omelette pan infomercial, or the dumb chick that can't coil the hose on the self coiling hose infomercial. In reality, I think it would look more like this regarding wilderness survival (just "educated" guesses, not based on hard and fast truths): 1/500 actually have the first hand knowledge and experience to walk into the wilderness with simple tools, and live there in reasonable comfort, and health. 1/300 have enough knowledge and experience to walk into the wilderness well prepared, and live there in reasonable comfort and health. 1/ 200 Have enough book knowledge, skill, and intelligence to make a decent go at it, and survive in reasonable health if not comfort. 1/100 Are smart enough to know that if they have no experience in the wilderness... stay the "eff" out of there, and form a better plan. 1/50 Will think they have the skill because they watched a lot of "Man vs. Wild", and will wander into the wilderness to die. Then re-think it when they nearly kill themselves, and form "plan b" 1/10 Will die in the wilderness. Post reply 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Braydonn	4. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 4:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 4:24 PM EDT "heh yeah I've seen it and it underlines the need to understand bushcraft beautifully. Your tech will run out or fail eventually and if you don't know what your doing you are screwed :)" ^ This. I am actually quite impressed that a bunch of rookies managed to kill something with an atlatl. When I tried using an atlatl for the first time it took me about a week before I could hit a medium sized cardboard box at 20m. I'm still pretty bad with an atlatl, I guess it's just not really my forte. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
reloader97	5. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 4:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 4:40 PM EDT I watched it last night Im positive it's fake .There is no way that guy with no experience could have killed that animal. And then there was that vegatarian chick who was apparently starveing but would not eat meat. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
demsmine	6. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 4:59 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 5 2012, 4:59 PM EDT I'am positive those were farmed elk, and used to the presence of people. You could actually see the herd hanging out in the background as they quartered the downed bull. That being said it is still pretty impressive they could kill the animal with such a primitive tool. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mr.jimborisin	7. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 10:58 PM EDT " i doubt if more than 1% would survive the first few months. " lets hope that 1% will be use the members of this site :P Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Maricely	8. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 5 2012, 11:45 PM EDT "I watched it last night Im positive it's fake .There is no way that guy with no experience could have killed that animal. And then there was that vegatarian chick who was apparently starveing but would not eat meat." Believe it or not, some people are just that dumb. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
shadowmancer	9. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 5:08 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 5:22 AM EDT "Believe it or not, some people are just that dumb. " ........and some people just get lucky. I once bagged a grouse while walking in the bush by carelessly tossing a stone aside. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Braydonn	10. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 8:25 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 8:25 AM EDT "........and some people just get lucky. I once bagged a grouse while walking in the bush by carelessly tossing a stone aside." Good effort Shadow! :D Master hunter even when you're not trying! ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	11. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 9:05 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 9:08 AM EDT not really lol Northern grouse......... are very stupid birds if there weren't everywhere lol they would probably go the way of the dodo. They must be related to rabits or something lol Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jamesgoddam	12. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 9:37 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 9:37 AM EDT haha, not the rabbits around here, they flighty as hell. as for the show, i trust this guy Morgan whatever. beacause supersize me was a great experiment. But really nowadays you cant make a survival TV show beacause of all the guidelines and stuff. whenever anyone has a go at making a survival show you get guy's going "nah thats fake". its a sad world :( Post reply Do you find this valuable?
OutlawJames	13. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 10:43 AM EDT "I believe that that "1%" figure is pretty low. On any show, ANY, they will skew the participants to illustrate the point they are trying to make. Like the super retarded guy that can't figure out the spatula on the omelette pan infomercial, or the dumb chick that can't coil the hose on the self coiling hose infomercial. In reality, I think it would look more like this regarding wilderness survival (just "educated" guesses, not based on hard and fast truths): 1/500 actually have the first hand knowledge and experience to walk into the wilderness with simple tools, and live there in reasonable comfort, and health. 1/300 have enough knowledge and experience to walk into the wilderness well prepared, and live there in reasonable comfort and health. 1/ 200 Have enough book knowledge, skill, and intelligence to make a decent go at it, and survive in reasonable health if not comfort. 1/100 Are smart enough to know that if they have no experience in the wilderness... stay the "eff" out of there, and form a better plan. 1/50 Will think they have the skill because they watched a lot of "Man vs. Wild", and will wander into the wilderness to die. Then re-think it when they nearly kill themselves, and form "plan b" 1/10 Will die in the wilderness." Now my question Loki, How many of these with survival skills do you think will get taken out by the, Flood, Hurricane, Earthquake, Plague,Zombie,Nuke,apocolypse that will trigger the need for survival...It's an interesting intangable...dont matter how prepared to survive you are...If your sitting on that MegaVolcano when it goes off...its a mute point as to how well you are suited to survival. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BigLoki	14. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 11:20 AM EDT "Now my question Loki, How many of these with survival skills do you think will get taken out by the, Flood, Hurricane, Earthquake, Plague,Zombie,Nuke,apocolypse that will trigger the need for survival...It's an interesting intangable...dont matter how prepared to survive you are...If your sitting on that MegaVolcano when it goes off...its a mute point as to how well you are suited to survival." There's no way I can even hazard a guess at that one bud. There are too many scenarios where all the prep, and knowledge in the world won't matter for the initial event. I personally don't focus on those, as they're out of my hands. I am more concerned with the long haul after... so I have my nose buried in books, and google..haha. I would rather try to have that knowledge, and get wiped out initially; than to assume I would be wiped out, and make it, having no hope to continue, dying from stupidity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	15. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 12:16 PM EDT It's better to have data and skills and not need it than need the skills and not have them lol learning is important for example some people can't tell a geranium seed from a tomato seed :D lol you could end up with a feild of purdy flowers instead of food lol Post reply Do you find this valuable?
OutlawJames	16. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 1:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 1:13 PM EDT "There's no way I can even hazard a guess at that one bud. There are too many scenarios where all the prep, and knowledge in the world won't matter for the initial event. I personally don't focus on those, as they're out of my hands. I am more concerned with the long haul after... so I have my nose buried in books, and google..haha. I would rather try to have that knowledge, and get wiped out initially; than to assume I would be wiped out, and make it, having no hope to continue, dying from stupidity." Oh I understand.. I was just wondering what you thought. I once read somewhere that after a ( mass extinction of the human populace) such as the plague, that might take 95% you still have to figure on intangables that will eliminate some 10% or better of the survivors, Like, 3 guys make it through, then one of them drops from a Heart attack because of his weak heart he never knew about and he is trying to carry to much... Or a kid survives ( soul survivor of his family) he wanders around outside his house in partial shock and falls into the well, breaking his legs and actually dying from shock. Or your out tracking a deer and a storm comes up and you hunker down and the wind drops a large branch on you and kills you. Having the knowledge and the skill to use it ,is of course, the most important...cant use it if you dont have it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Randyofpirate	17. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 1:30 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 1:30 PM EDT I was more so basing a 1% thing on how many people would be able to survive in the wilderness unprepared. your figures OutlawJames would show that only .2 percent would survive uprepaired. Even with me living in the southern U.S. most people I know are not prepared in any way. Most people I hunt with only buy enough rounds to get them through that hunting season. So maybe they have a box of rounds at the house. That means they could kill enough to last them a month or so if they can keep the meat from spoiling. But in reality, most people will die of dehydration long before the food runs out through drinking unclean water or just not being able to find enough. If they shut the water off in my town right now with a population of 70k, most of the city would be dead without help in less than a week. Period. Its 102 outside. You couldnt even walk to the local lake before you would pass out of dehydration. And when you got there and drank the stagnant water that our swamp lake is filled with. You would just get so sick that you would lose all your fluids any way. These people dont know how to start a fire without matches or lighters. So maybe they are able to get through the first few weeks by burning furniture and stuff to boil water. But then the lighter runs out of fluid or they use the last match. Then what. They cant just go to walmart and get more if there is none left. There is no way more than 1% would survive where I am from for more than a couple of months. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BigLoki	18. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 1:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 1:36 PM EDT It really depends on the event itself in my mind. If it's catastrophic in nature... you just get lucky or don't, simple. Nuke, volcano, earthquake, ect. If it's a rolling event; famine, plague, contagion, ect. Then I think your odds are more in your own hands. You had a chance to stock up, you had a chance to educate yourself, you had a chance to do what is necessary to wait it out, and survive. I think this is where my kind of preparation will work to my advantage. " I don't have 20 guns, and buckets of ammo. I don't have a lead lined basement fortress in which I have made furniture out of MREs. I have knowledge, I have resources, I have a plan, and I have enough of those to afford me patience if SHTF. Not much else I can do than that short of hitting the lotto soon. Hahaha In that scenario though, that's where stupidity, ignorance, or just a lack of information will lead you to a very possible slow and painful death. In my opinion anyway. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Randyofpirate	19. RE: I, Caveman....an insight to the unprepaired Aug 6 2012, 2:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2012, 2:22 PM EDT I am not talking about nuke, volcano, earthquake, or any other localized event. I am talking on a global or at least country wide scale. Where the red cross doesnt show and cook meals, hand out water and provide clothes. Where there is no government left to operate shelters and police the chaos. Where there are no more supply trucks restocking the shelves at the local convenience store. Where there is no more electricity because the infrastructure that makes and distributes it has collapsed. When they cant go get water, food, or any kind of help from any government or commercial source, what will they do? Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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