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anninhilator
anninhilator
Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 3:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 3:26 PM EDT
http://rense.com/MexicoAlreadyDead.html

There are many more detailed articles, this is just one of few...
I would really love this is wrong but, it seems that warm ocean currents are dying because of oil dispersion and that we can expect a new ice age in the next few years. Some articles predict 2/3 of population dead in the first year.
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anninhilator
anninhilator
1. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 5:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 5:36 PM EDT
I m having trouble to find ice coverage predictions but if it is anything like the previous ice age, monetary investmens in African, South american and south Asian countries/companies might pay off.
Medditerrean area(my homeland) will probably not be covered in ice but i have no idea how is that going to affect crops. People, how do we prepare for this?

Greenhouses?
Moving south?
stockpiling food and fuel?
How does the ice age affect the wind?
What about the Sun?
How do you prepare for massive exoduses from or to your area?
How do you deal with all those people?
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
2. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 5:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 5:44 PM EDT
Oil dispersion?

This sounds like bollocks to me. Oil dispersion doesn't lower ocean temperature, burning the oil to create CO2 might via melting the icecaps..
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anninhilator
anninhilator
3. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 5:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 5:51 PM EDT
"Oil dispersion?

This sounds like bollocks to me. Oil dispersion doesn't lower ocean temperature, burning the oil to create CO2 might via melting the icecaps.."
Oil stops hot and cold water from mixing, thereby fu*king up sea currents. At least that is how i understand it...

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"It is a university level physics experiment to use a tub of cool water and inject a colored stream of warm water into it. You can see the boundary layers of the warm water stream. If you add oil to the tub it breaks down the boundary layers of the warm water stream and effectively destroys the current vorticity . This is what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Atlantic Ocean."
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
4. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 5:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 5:57 PM EDT
Oil floats, hot and cold water mix underwater not on the surface. In a tiny containment vessel, this might be the case, but in water a mile deep? I doubt it highly. Do you find this valuable?    
C-Man121
C-Man121
5. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 6:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 6:07 PM EDT
Why would oil stop cold and hot water from mixing? As far as I know, oil can't mix with water without emulsifiers, but other than that, it wouldn't really do much... Do you find this valuable?    
Markthegenius
Markthegenius
6. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 6:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 6:46 PM EDT
"Oil dispersion?

This sounds like bollocks to me. Oil dispersion doesn't lower ocean temperature, burning the oil to create CO2 might via melting the icecaps.."
I'm no ecologist or environmental scientist, but I have a couple of friends studying it at uni and I've heard similar hings in the past.
My guess would be something to do with the changes in density/salinity of the water
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Markthegenius
Markthegenius
7. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 6:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 6:52 PM EDT
"Why would oil stop cold and hot water from mixing? As far as I know, oil can't mix with water without emulsifiers, but other than that, it wouldn't really do much..."
The fact that oil can't mix with water says it all.
It means that the flow of warm water in it's usual current is interupted and dispersed, therefore breaking up the regular path it would take.
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
8. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 7:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 7:02 PM EDT
"The fact that oil can't mix with water says it all.
It means that the flow of warm water in it's usual current is interupted and dispersed, therefore breaking up the regular path it would take."
Except warm water heads upwards, and cold downwards, where they mix isn't anywhere near the oil, which is at the very top of the warm current on the surface...
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Markthegenius
Markthegenius
9. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 15 2012, 7:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2012, 7:20 PM EDT
"Except warm water heads upwards, and cold downwards, where they mix isn't anywhere near the oil, which is at the very top of the warm current on the surface..."
All the oil isn't only on the top.. Warm currents aren't only at the top either. Oil spillages can last for weeks, and all that gets blended in with different temperatures as it spreads out, giving rise to variations in the depth it's spread out over. Not to mention different density in the oil itself.

I'm not an expert but judging by this thread neither are you lol and personally I trust the scientists who say something may be wrong.

I'm not saying something is wrong, just that it sounds plausible to me.
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anninhilator
anninhilator
10. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 4:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 4:21 AM EDT
Did you read the link?
qutoe
"The entire 'river of warm water' that flows from the Caribbean to the edges of Western Europe is dying due to the Corexit that the Obama Administration allowed BP to use to hide the scale of the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Disaster. The approximately two million gallons of Corexit, plus several million gallons of other dispersants, have caused the over two hundred million gallons of crude oil, that has gushed for months from the BP wellhead and nearby sites, to mostly sink to the bottom of the ocean. This has helped to effectively hide much of the oil, with the hopes that BP can seriously reduce the mandated federal fines from the oil disaster. However, there is no current way to effectively 'clean up' the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, which is about half covered in crude oil. Additionally, the oil has flowed up the East Coast of America and into the North Atlantic Ocean, and there is no way to effectively clean up this 'sea bottom oil'.
This massive amount of crude oil, covering such an enormous area, has seriously affected the Loop Current, the Gulf Stream, and the North Atlantic Current system, by breaking up the boundary layers of the warm water flow.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
11. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 4:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 4:36 AM EDT
"All the oil isn't only on the top.. Warm currents aren't only at the top either. Oil spillages can last for weeks, and all that gets blended in with different temperatures as it spreads out, giving rise to variations in the depth it's spread out over. Not to mention different density in the oil itself.

I'm not an expert but judging by this thread neither are you lol and personally I trust the scientists who say something may be wrong.

I'm not saying something is wrong, just that it sounds plausible to me."
As Irish says BS.

It's a theory.
They can't predict squat one way or the other.
They aren't even completely sure how the currents (air and water) form and change. Let alone what can and or will effect them.

Now oil will stay partially blended through different layers of the ocean. But it eventually rises to the surface.
And oil doesn't totally block temperatures. It will just slow it down.

This is like the global warming scare that predicted the Pacific Ocean rising and covering some islands. It never happened.
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anninhilator
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12. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 4:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 4:41 AM EDT
"As Irish says BS.

It's a theory.
They can't predict squat one way or the other.
They aren't even completely sure how the currents (air and water) form and change. Let alone what can and or will effect them.

Now oil will stay partially blended through different layers of the ocean. But it eventually rises to the surface.
And oil doesn't totally block temperatures. It will just slow it down.

This is like the global warming scare that predicted the Pacific Ocean rising and covering some islands. It never happened."
And that is why temperatures now are wildly unnormal?
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
13. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 4:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 4:57 AM EDT
So they say it is covering the ocean floor.
How is it moving if it's forced onto the floor by a chemical?
How does it block cold and warm water from mixing when it's on the bottom?

These two facts contradict their own findings and predictions.
It can't block all the ocean above the ocean floor from mixing while on the ocean floor.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
14. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 4:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 4:58 AM EDT
"And that is why temperatures now are wildly unnormal?"
No it's called natural. Ice ages and warmings are natural.
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anninhilator
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Aug 16 2012, 5:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 5:05 AM EDT
"No it's called natural. Ice ages and warmings are natural."
10 celsius difference in a few years is not natural
Even if it is, there is the 'ice age' problem
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
16. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 5:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 5:30 AM EDT
Okay lets say their theory is right.
Explain how a few hundred million gallons of oil and chemicals is supposed to interrupt the flow of trillions on trillions of gallons of water?
That much oil is barely large enough to put a fine sheen on the surface of the whole Atlantic Ocean.
It just isn't physically possible.
Remember just because they say something will happen isn't even close to being true.
Plus isn't the global warming gases increasing still?
How does that effect this so called new "Ice Age" crisis?
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
17. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 5:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 5:36 AM EDT
Nothing against you personally, but aren't you always posting outbreaks and other doomsday type "news"?

So lets say they are true.
What are YOU going to do to survive?
Better hurry up and buy some land in a non effected part of the world. Before it's all bought up. And move so you can beat the rush.
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IamSlowRide
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18. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 5:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 5:53 AM EDT
"Nothing against you personally, but aren't you always posting outbreaks and other doomsday type "news"?

So lets say they are true.
What are YOU going to do to survive?
Better hurry up and buy some land in a non effected part of the world. Before it's all bought up. And move so you can beat the rush."
Sounds like the end is nigh Blackhorse, PM me your address so I can mail you your key fob and directions to the Nike site ;-]>



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11ACRBlackhorse
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19. RE: Warm sea currents dying READ THIS
Aug 16 2012, 6:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2012, 6:39 AM EDT
"Sounds like the end is nigh Blackhorse, PM me your address so I can mail you your key fob and directions to the Nike site ;-]>



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Dang nabbit you made me squirt my morning drive home coffee all over my DROID LMAO

Will do and will bring the home brew
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