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Jahadaz
Jahadaz
20. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 8:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 8:04 PM EDT
Honestly, it just good business. Firearm companies are realizing that most of the younger generation of gun buyers want something a little cooler than our dads Remington 740.
I'm not saying I love seeing zombie stuff everywhere, just that I like seeing business trying to meet the demands of it's potential customers.

Let's be serious about this, how many more guns is the average baby boomer likely to buy? Odds are good they already own what they want. Yet, those people that are just getting to be old enough to buy their first firearm are potential long term customers. Most people tend to hold near and dear that first firearm / brand that they bought.

This doesn't only include zombie stuff. Why is eotech so popular right now? Why are people willing to spend a few grand on a fn scar? Same thing. Younger people that grew up with video games expect things to be cooler than your average hunting rifle. If you can't be flexible and adapt to your customer base, you won't last long as a business.
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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
21. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 9:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 9:35 PM EDT
"Honestly, it just good business. Firearm companies are realizing that most of the younger generation of gun buyers want something a little cooler than our dads Remington 740.
I'm not saying I love seeing zombie stuff everywhere, just that I like seeing business trying to meet the demands of it's potential customers.

Let's be serious about this, how many more guns is the average baby boomer likely to buy? Odds are good they already own what they want. Yet, those people that are just getting to be old enough to buy their first firearm are potential long term customers. Most people tend to hold near and dear that first firearm / brand that they bought.

This doesn't only include zombie stuff. Why is eotech so popular right now? Why are people willing to spend a few grand on a fn scar? Same thing. Younger people that grew up with video games expect things to be cooler than your average hunting rifle. If you can't be flexible and adapt to your customer base, you won't last long as a business. "
All great points

I can handle some weak kneed person getting all upset over Zombie themed equipment.
As long as it makes the shooters happy and or brings new people to the shooting sports.

Pink guns are the same thing in point.
If it causes more people to buy guns what is the beef?
It's their money and purchase.
A happy gun owner and or shooter is a win win in my book.
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Tritonis
Tritonis
22. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 9:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 9:44 PM EDT
"Open mouth insert foot...if you can't take "zombie" enthusiasts seriously what the f^ck are you doing here? Most serious preppers here don't believe in zombies but it makes prepping fun and hell if your prepared for zombies your prepared for anything, just better armed.

I am at a loss as to why you would come to a place like this if you don't feel like you could take us seriously"
I think you misunderstood my point. I don't have a problem with talking about zombies or using the idea of a zombie apocalypse as a metaphor for serious disasters and as a way to making prepping and planning fun.

I do, however, think that if a person is seen at a shooting range with a zombie themed gun, it'd be more likely for him to be smirked or laughed at for looking silly than for people to say, "Oh, that's really cool."

And to people who aren't part of the shooting or prepping culture and aren't younger, it will likely look silly or childish.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
23. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 10:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 10:08 PM EDT
"I think you misunderstood my point. I don't have a problem with talking about zombies or using the idea of a zombie apocalypse as a metaphor for serious disasters and as a way to making prepping and planning fun.

I do, however, think that if a person is seen at a shooting range with a zombie themed gun, it'd be more likely for him to be smirked or laughed at for looking silly than for people to say, "Oh, that's really cool."

And to people who aren't part of the shooting or prepping culture and aren't younger, it will likely look silly or childish."
I call bullsh!t.

Just because a gun is stamped "zombie" doesn't mean the guy is any less of a shot or responsible shooter.


Unless it's just in my area, where we have mature shooters..............................
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Tritonis
Tritonis
24. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 10:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 10:19 PM EDT
I didn't say anything about the owner of the zombie themed weapon or his/her quality as a shooter. I'm only talking about the views others would likely have about him simply by seeing the gun or zombie ammo.

Like most human interactions, its all about appearances, regardless of how superficial that may be. It's even more applicable if the onlooker isn't some one who owns guns or shoots regularly. They would be even more likely to see the owner of some of this equipment as a joke.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
25. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 10:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 10:23 PM EDT
"I didn't say anything about the owner of the zombie themed weapon or his/her quality as a shooter. I'm only talking about the views others would likely have about him simply by seeing the gun or zombie ammo.

Like most human interactions, its all about appearances, regardless of how superficial that may be. It's even more applicable if the onlooker isn't some one who owns guns or shoots regularly. They would be even more likely to see the owner of some of this equipment as a joke."
I think mature shooters would be "That's cool"

While only the immature ones would be "That's childish"
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Tritonis
Tritonis
26. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 10:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 10:50 PM EDT
"I think mature shooters would be "That's cool"

While only the immature ones would be "That's childish""
Its not just about the shooters, though. The biggest effect is on those who aren't part of the firearms community. How will they see people who buy "zombie" ammo, guns, and targets? The mostly likely response will be, "Oh, that's ridiculous. Those people are (insert derogatory term here.)"

I just don't see such products as beneficial to the image of survivalist and shooters as a group.

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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
27. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 11:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 11:18 PM EDT
Folks I for one love all the Zombie themed stuff out on the markets. I love the Zombi ammo that is sold by a certain company. I see guys buying that stuff up and fighting over it and I love it. They will pay a small fortune for it because it is Zombie themed, and then they leave everything else for me I will buy the same ammo minus the theme for cheaper then they paid for. The retailers out here will jack the prices of that stuff up by a few bucks more because us younger folk will buy it and ignore the same thing minus the logo. So yes Zombies are great and they help me out in my quest to prep!!! Do you find this valuable?    
11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
28. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 11:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 11:29 PM EDT
Tritonis

Who gives a fly f@ck what someone at a range thinks.
They say the same thing about pink guns.
I once had a couple older guys get upset my kids were shooting life size picture threat/bad guy targets.
They didn't think it appropriate kids to be shooting human images.
And it might give the broader public the idea we are crazy nut jobs.
I had my kids shoot the heads out before we left and cancelled my membership.

Again they will always have issues with something. Now that Zombie shotgun or target just might encourage more recreational shooters. Because it looks cool.

I dislike pink and purple guns. But me and my daughter are going to tiger stripe hers in those colors.
Would it embarrass me? No
Why it's not my gun.
If it makes my daughter enjoy shooting more, great.
I'll paint it florescent pink and green with rhinestones and flashing lights.
If it makes her happy she shoots it more.

If someone don't like, tough.
Their dislike of it pisses me off.
Get a life and worry about your own.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
29. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 5 2012, 11:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 5 2012, 11:38 PM EDT
"Its not just about the shooters, though. The biggest effect is on those who aren't part of the firearms community. How will they see people who buy "zombie" ammo, guns, and targets? The mostly likely response will be, "Oh, that's ridiculous. Those people are (insert derogatory term here.)"

I just don't see such products as beneficial to the image of survivalist and shooters as a group.

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I couldn't care less what people think, if they hate guns, they're gonna hate 'em no matter if they're gramps old deer rifle or the latest and greatest tacticooled up semi auto that has "zombie" on it.

I think they are, it means we have the freedom to choose what we put on our f**cking guns, I think that is beneficial in itself, the freedom.
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Redrighthand
Redrighthand
30. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 6 2012, 3:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2012, 3:24 AM EDT
I'm a pretty average non-shooting guy (I think). Not that I have objections to guns, just that I'd rather spend the money on cameras and go-fast bits for my car. Each to their own. Having said that, if I *did* go down to a range one day and shoot (which I'd like to do some time), it'd be fun as hell shooting at zombie targets! Yes, it's silly, but no sillier than shooting water bottles for the cool explosions. Do you find this valuable?    
Jahadaz
Jahadaz
31. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 6 2012, 8:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2012, 8:22 AM EDT
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Who gives a fly f@ck what someone at a range thinks.

If someone don't like, tough.
Their dislike of it pisses me off.
Get a life and worry about your own."
Agreed 100%
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crocodilecommando
crocodilecommando
32. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 6 2012, 9:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2012, 9:14 AM EDT
In midst of all the American gun owners ( I say owners as not everyone who owns more than one gun is not neccesarily a lover, despite what the general publics view may lead us to believe) i'd like to add the view of a citizen of a dopey country that thinks guns are bad and not the people who use them.

As a "zombie prepper" I often look around for the best deals on the bits and pieces I think would be most useful in a ZA. Now as most of the zombie murch market is based on or in the US I often find myself on websites from the states and a lot of these are distributors of zombie "themed" items. A lot of the time I have a little giggle at all the very expensive things that would be utterly useless in any situation nevrmind fighting the unholy hordes of the undead. In my view of rifles you buy whatever you like as long as it's easy to maintain and clean and put what your aiming at without too much trouble. But on most of these sites they sell some complicated rifle (g36 maybe) with "zombie crusher" printed on the side.

As some have said on this thread at first it was for ***** and giggles but for them to make some decent money out of it they now have to aim at the majority of zombie fans which unforunately are high school mall ninjas who think the most expensive thing available is the best. We all know the type "my sc7x4 combat assault knife is better than your multi tool cause it's got a 10" blade with a saw bit on the back and cost me a years allowance" way to get ripped off kid.
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Frag-12
Frag-12
33. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 7 2012, 12:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2012, 12:50 PM EDT
I agree with Jahadaz comment about being good for business. It is working everywhere else and I bet some of gun store owners are into The Walking Dead or genre overall. I told my new shooting group this week, the next time we go shooting; we should use zombie and skeletal\vital silhouettes and create a competition from it.

All in all, it is to liven up the shooting experience and to increase our accuracy.


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Frag-12
Frag-12
34. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 7 2012, 12:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2012, 12:56 PM EDT
"Its not just about the shooters, though. The biggest effect is on those who aren't part of the firearms community. How will they see people who buy "zombie" ammo, guns, and targets? The mostly likely response will be, "Oh, that's ridiculous. Those people are (insert derogatory term here.)"

I just don't see such products as beneficial to the image of survivalist and shooters as a group.

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Not all firearm people are true professionals or act maturely either. A mature or professional shooter should only care that the people are using good range safety and not interrupting their shooting experience. And if they are hitting the zombie in the head, that means they have skills to hit a living target in the head (or center mass) as well. If shooting is not fun and necessary in some situations, why go shooting?



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11ACRBlackhorse
11ACRBlackhorse
35. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 7 2012, 5:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2012, 12:48 AM EDT
"Not all firearm people are true professionals or act maturely either. A mature or professional shooter should only care that the people are using good range safety and not interrupting their shooting experience. And if they are hitting the zombie in the head, that means they have skills to hit a living target in the head (or center mass) as well. If shooting is not fun and necessary in some situations, why go shooting?



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So true.

You also have the snobs.
They don't like anything new or gimmicks.
They call themselves purists.
I call them pure egotistical self important snobbery.

As you said
If their safe and fallowing the rules I don't care.
If shooting cartoon characters gets you to shoot, good.
Heck I might even join and let them use my guns too.
I'm not past letting total strangers shoot my guns and ammo.
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Maricely
Maricely
36. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 7 2012, 11:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2012, 12:00 AM EDT
In 2008, before I found this site, I had no interest in emergency preparedness. I was just pregnant, bored, and looking up zombie stuff. The rest is history.

If the zombie aspect of survival leads more people towards being able to take care of themselves in an emergency, I'm all for it. Yes, the fact that companies are putting "zombie" on everything in order to make a quick buck is annoying, but that's how they make their money. They're just trying to feed their robot families.
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renet76
renet76
37. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 8 2012, 1:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2012, 1:04 AM EDT
This is the Irony of the shooting community

So whatif there is a bit of humor involved with firearms because of the zombie marketing i would rather be seen as a clown then the next mass murderer

In some ways the zombie marketing has been a friend for the shooting community for an example take Hornady zombie max ammunition we all know its pretty much critical defense ammunition just boxed differently and a green tip plus a brass case

Because it is for "Zombies" its seen as a joke by people a bit of a novelty unlike the actual branded critical defense ammunition all though its the same darn thing just people perceptions of it is different

Make it funny and people don't mind it so much

my local police officer wasn't to happy with the hornady critical defense ammunition in my safe but this time he saw the zombie stuff then spent the next 30 minutes talking to me about them and having a bit of a laugh about it then said he might have to get some of his own as you never know and yeah he did get a couple of boxes

My point is the serious uptight shooters can go bite it for all i care if zombie marketing makes us look silly and childish who cares but keeps the negative view off us for awhile then they can laugh as much as they want
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renet76
renet76
38. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 8 2012, 1:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2012, 1:13 AM EDT
"Its not just about the shooters, though. The biggest effect is on those who aren't part of the firearms community. How will they see people who buy "zombie" ammo, guns, and targets? The mostly likely response will be, "Oh, that's ridiculous. Those people are (insert derogatory term here.)"

I just don't see such products as beneficial to the image of survivalist and shooters as a group.

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I don't understand what you want people to think of when they look at the shooting community?

DO you want them to think of us as nuts that want to kill and wound any thing that moves?

Do you want people to be afraid of survivalist that own firearms?

How do you want the public to view you?


The general community is bit more jumpy about guys in camo gear running around the woods with black guns preparing for the end of the world then they are about zombie fans

just an observation you know ones seen as a threat to community safety and the other is childish
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shadowmancer
shadowmancer
39. RE: Zombies and Guns
Sep 8 2012, 1:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2012, 2:09 AM EDT
"I think it adds a fun aspect- something new. I did my first firearm course and bought my first moss590 because of an interest in zombie fiction.

I can honestly say my reasons for firearm ownership and knowledge of them has vastly increased. Had it not been for zeds would I have ever picked up the interest? Maybe, maybe not. But its a fun way to get into something new.

To answer the question though, id say mixed, as things usually are. When you start combining the words "gun" "fun" "fiction" and other stuff like that, people tend to think youre a wee bit unfit for a boom stick."
The video concept and most YouTube videos on the topic of zombies are strange. The concept of specific anti zombie gear is even stranger. Zombies are just a fun way to talk about certain topics we are all familiar with. First and foremost anyone who thinks gear alone is going to be their salvation in any survival scenario is as good as dead. The person in question needs to know what the heck they are doing if they want to stay alive due to more than random chance. If you think mass market popular anti zombie survival gear is worth a hill of beans then well you may want to pack a body bag in your gear because it will save the person who discovers your carcase a heck of a lot of trouble.

I should mention that repackaging of materials in zombie themed packages is a different animal than something "designed" specifically for the task of killing the undead lol. These specifically "designed" products are nothing more than gimmicks. If an entertainment form gets you interested in a topic thats great, if you base all your knowledge on that same fictional world... you've got issues. All right I’ll admit it I bought a Winchester a few years back when I went through a Western phase... those were dark times. The gun didn’t make me a cowboy; it made me someone with a particular rifle in my collection.
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