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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:38 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:38 AM EST
I have added a new section for the Road Warriors out there. It deals with the reality of fuel, Panic buying and trying to keep your convoy rolling. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
1. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:54 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:54 AM EST
"I have added a new section for the Road Warriors out there. It deals with the reality of fuel, Panic buying and trying to keep your convoy rolling."
Shhhh....The convoy plan is one of the most popular plans ever......Also one of the coolest.

You do know that your name is sometimes used in sentences that end in wet blanket and party pooper? :P

*Timber shakes his head sadly in the direction of his death mobile*

Oh well you surely can't find anything wrong with my Wal-Mart plan. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
2. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:56 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:56 AM EST
"Shhhh....The convoy plan is one of the most popular plans ever......Also one of the coolest."
That's because everyone wants a world where the Rush Hour traffic is a thing of the past. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
3. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 2:12 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 2:12 AM EST
"That's because everyone wants a world where the Rush Hour traffic is a thing of the past."
But it would be. Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
4. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 3:17 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 3:17 AM EST
Bravo good sir! Now I can justify why I don't currently own a car. It Will Not Help Me In The Zed Poc! ZLOLZ! Do you find this valuable?    
IrishHitman
IrishHitman
5. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:41 AM EST
"I have added a new section for the Road Warriors out there. It deals with the reality of fuel, Panic buying and trying to keep your convoy rolling."
There is a workaround for the problems mentioned.

Yay for raiding and knowing a Harvard Chem PhD... Do you find this valuable?    
D4RK4NG3LX
D4RK4NG3LX
6. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 12:08 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 12:08 PM EST
Also, most car batteries will die out after a couple of days/weeks if the vehicle is not driven. So the odds of finding a driveable vehicle after the first weeks is slim. Do you find this valuable?    
IrishHitman
IrishHitman
7. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 12:56 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 12:56 PM EST
"Also, most car batteries will die out after a couple of days/weeks if the vehicle is not driven. So the odds of finding a driveable vehicle after the first weeks is slim. "
That's incorrect.... Do you find this valuable?    
D4RK4NG3LX
D4RK4NG3LX
8. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:07 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:07 PM EST
I work for a car alarm company; we monitor the vehicles & when in storage or not used often, it doesn't take long for the battery to die out. Of course i'm not talking about huge trucks & the like, but normal run-of-the-mill vehicles don't last that long. Which is also why it's recommended to disconnect the battery if you go on vacation. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
9. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:12 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:12 PM EST
"I work for a car alarm company; we monitor the vehicles & when in storage or not used often, it doesn't take long for the battery to die out. Of course i'm not talking about huge trucks & the like, but normal run-of-the-mill vehicles don't last that long. Which is also why it's recommended to disconnect the battery if you go on vacation."
Its a rare thing to walk on to a used car lot and not have to jump start the vehicle you're looking at. I'm kinda buying into your claims. Can you find any information on the net that would back you up? Do you find this valuable?    
D4RK4NG3LX
D4RK4NG3LX
10. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 1:32 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 1:32 PM EST
http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/carfaq15.htm
"Car manufacturers normally design for at least 14 days or more "airport" time; based on a fully charged battery in good condition, moderate weather, and no additions to the original car's parasitic load (for example, an after market alarm system). The number of days will vary based on the temperature. "
http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/carfaq13.htm
"...This creation of hard crystals is commonly called permanent "sulfation". It is the leading cause and accounts for approximately 85% of the premature failures of lead-acid batteries not used on weekly basis. "
It depends on many factors, but it seems a couple of weeks without driving will affect the battery. Vehicles with less electronic gadgets will last longer, while those with aftermarket parts or alarm systems will drain faster. Do you find this valuable?    
IrishHitman
IrishHitman
11. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 2:16 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 2:16 PM EST
Batteries not in cars at the time of the outbreak would last 6 months to a year from what I've heard, so it's not like you can't replace the batteries within that time period.

Furthermore, seizing a vehicle after the first weeks would be silly, grabbing such resources early on is a must. Do you find this valuable?    
D4RK4NG3LX
D4RK4NG3LX
12. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 2:44 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 2:47 PM EST
Might be a good idea to take into consideration the small maintenance that needs to be done on vehicles: oil & air filters, straps & belts. Although easily available in all cities, you still need to find & carry them. You need to know how to do the basic repairs.

EDIT: spelling Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
13. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 4:46 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 4:46 PM EST
"Bravo good sir! Now I can justify why I don't currently own a car. It Will Not Help Me In The Zed Poc! ZLOLZ!"
On the contrary, it is easy to justify owning a car, providing you keep a stockpile of gasoline (with stabilizer, rotating the stock every few months), and try to keep the tank at least half full.

Again, preparation. The mindset this new addition is catering for is the one that believes all the filling stations will be like desert oases, where everyone can rest and refuel. Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
14. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:08 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:08 PM EST
Maybe keeping a few gas cans filled with gasoline, and filling the car with what is in those and then filling the cans instead of the tank when you need to fill up? Something like that Pedro? Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:27 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:27 PM EST
"Maybe keeping a few gas cans filled with gasoline, and filling the car with what is in those and then filling the cans instead of the tank when you need to fill up? Something like that Pedro?"
Yep, a rotation of the fuel in the cans every six months should do, providing you use stabilizer when you fill them.

I'll use Eostre's plan as an example, since it involved a long distance road trip. Actual locations vary for privacy.

From Raleigh, NC to Austin, TX is 1,376 miles direct. Allow for detours, 15% extra. 1,582 miles. Using my car (Ford Mondeo diesel, 2 litre 6 speed manual, 47.9 mpg) I need 150 litres to get from one end to the other. The tank is 70 litres.

So I need to carry 80 litres for that journey, in addition to having a full tank to begin with.

I need to keep 2 70 litre containers in the garage, and rotate them every six months. I mark one March/Sept and one June/Dec. When the marked month comes around, I fill the car from the container, and refill the container at the pumps. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
IrishHitman
IrishHitman
16. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:39 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:39 PM EST
"On the contrary, it is easy to justify owning a car, providing you keep a stockpile of gasoline (with stabilizer, rotating the stock every few months), and try to keep the tank at least half full.

Again, preparation. The mindset this new addition is catering for is the one that believes all the filling stations will be like desert oases, where everyone can rest and refuel."
Also, you may want to discover where any significant stores of fuel may be, as if properly stored, they can last quite long indeed (or so a Chem PhD tells me). Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
17. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:40 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:40 PM EST
I'd like to learn to siphon gas. Any hints? Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
18. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 5:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 5:55 PM EST
"I'd like to learn to siphon gas. Any hints?"
Keep mints handy. :)

It is surprisingly easy, provided you can get the hose into the tank of the car. You simply make sure the end you suck on is lower than the tank, try not to get too much in your mouth, and get as much as possible into the can.

If you want to practice, fill your bathroom sink with water. That is the tank. Put one end of the hose in it. Put the other end over the bath. Suck on the hose until water comes out, then lower the end you are holding. Gravity does the work. To make it stop, simply lift the end you are holding higher than the "tank". Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
19. RE: New addition to The Panic
Dec 13 2009, 6:00 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2009, 6:00 PM EST
I'm taking it that this wouldn't work for underground tanks then? Do you find this valuable?    
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