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DevilNuts	Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 8:23 AM EDT 1) Using CB radios on plain text for your security force is inherently risky. Anyone can listen in. Have you given any thought to finding a more secure medium of internal comm? 2) Your guard rotation is predictable, which could also be a security vulnerability. I recommend changing it up regularly. Moving the turnover five minutes in either direction could make a difference if you are being scouted. 3) Seems to me it would be a good idea to build a transitory lodging facility in the quarantine area. You don't seem to have an inclement weather plan, and especially during the colder months keeping people in tents for that long outside can leave them sicker than when they arrived. 4) What if one of the travellers has a really nice hat? You could get the whole group slaughtered for nothing, in addition to ruining a really nice hat. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
PedroAsani	1. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 9:16 AM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 24 2010, 9:18 AM EDT 1) Yes, that is a concern. My plan is to get someone with plenty of comms experience to come up with a better system. :) 2) This was planned recently when I was talking to Hell_raiser. I went a little further by saying that I would shift the time by a few minutes every day. For example: 0700-1300 1300-1900 1900-2300 2300-0300 0300-0700 would shift ahead by one hour, then back by one hour over the course of 24 days. Complicated when typing, but it works out fine on a day-planner chart. :) 3) Tents should be fine for a short period. Aruba doesn't really do colder months. Avg low monthly temp is between 76 and 80 the whole year round. I might need to do something for the occasional hurricane that passes by. Typically they are just strong breezes, but this is worst-case planning after all. 4) Ha. It's from Firefly. The conversation goes something like this. Mal: "That's quite a rifle. Boy must be your best shot, to carry a weapon like that" Patience: "His name's Two-fry. Always makes it quick and clean." Mal: "Two-fry...Nice hat" Two-fry is shot by a sniper, and falls off his horse. Really the indicator can be anything subtle. But commentary on clothing is as good as any. If I am negotiating with a large group of potentially hostile people, I won't be thinking about fashion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SGTGerman	2. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 3:33 PM EDT "1) Yes, that is a concern. My plan is to get someone with plenty of comms experience to come up with a better system. :) 2) This was planned recently when I was talking to Hell_raiser. I went a little further by saying that I would shift the time by a few minutes every day. For example: 0700-1300 1300-1900 1900-2300 2300-0300 0300-0700 would shift ahead by one hour, then back by one hour over the course of 24 days. Complicated when typing, but it works out fine on a day-planner chart. :) 3) Tents should be fine for a short period. Aruba doesn't really do colder months. Avg low monthly temp is between 76 and 80 the whole year round. I might need to do something for the occasional hurricane that passes by. Typically they are just strong breezes, but this is worst-case planning after all. 4) Ha. It's from Firefly. The conversation goes something like this. Mal: "That's quite a rifle. Boy must be your best shot, to carry a weapon like that" Patience: "His name's Two-fry. Always makes it quick and clean." Mal: "Two-fry...Nice hat" Two-fry is shot by a sniper, and falls off his horse. Really the indicator can be anything subtle. But commentary on clothing is as good as any. If I am negotiating with a large group of potentially hostile people, I won't be thinking about fashion." I'll be doing my communications training soon mate so I'll definatly and hopefully will be able to give you a hand. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	3. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 5:51 PM EDT "I'll be doing my communications training soon mate so I'll definatly and hopefully will be able to give you a hand. " Just don't give away any national secrets by accident. We in the comm field have to always be careful about inadvertently handing over useful information to enemies (or potential ones) who may be lurking about. .... And if you think our enemies don't surf the web looking for intel, think again. The IDF recently cancelled an operation into Gaza and jailed a soldier because he posted operational details on facebook. Back to the point: PA you need to have more than just an experienced Comm guy, you need equipment to make comm secure. Radio transmissions can be encrypted, but not without the gear. I do not know how readily available crypto gear is to the public. But I do know it is not cheap. Some of our portable radio systems cost upwards of $25k each. Then the fill devices (for crypto) are another story entirely -- usually only defense contractors can buy them. If you cannot afford or obtain crypto for your internal comms, a cheaper alternative would be to use a brevity code system and rotate the codes regularly using a numbered card system. Make sure the cards are controlled and accounted for at all times. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	4. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 5:55 PM EDT "4) Ha. It's from Firefly. The conversation goes something like this. Mal: "That's quite a rifle. Boy must be your best shot, to carry a weapon like that" Patience: "His name's Two-fry. Always makes it quick and clean." Mal: "Two-fry...Nice hat" Two-fry is shot by a sniper, and falls off his horse. Really the indicator can be anything subtle. But commentary on clothing is as good as any. If I am negotiating with a large group of potentially hostile people, I won't be thinking about fashion." Why not just give the order to kill them? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	5. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 6:06 PM EDT "Why not just give the order to kill them?" Because if they have a CB radio of their own and are listening, since Pedro has no secure comm, they may hear this kill order and decide to make it difficult. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	6. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 6:07 PM EDT "Because if they have a CB radio of their own and are listening, since Pedro has no secure comm, they may hear this kill order and decide to make it difficult. " If Pedro up to this point has done as he outlined execution would be fairly quick. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	7. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 6:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 24 2010, 6:24 PM EDT Remember, this is not a mathematical equation. Those travellers/raiders out there may be every bit as clever as PA is, and there is always the chance of them either a) getting lucky, or b) having some creative outside-the-box idea that he is not prepared for. Simply getting all the way up against his wall would hide you from view of the guards. The wall is high enough and there are no obtuse viewing angles so in order to observe a party that is up against the wall, the guards would have to expose themselves. All they would need from that point is a ladder or a sledgehammer and there goes Tier 1. Why take the chance out of arrogance, when you can have every advantage over them to begin with? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlexAtWork	8. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 7:28 PM EDT Is it just me or did you mispell "defense" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	9. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 7:37 PM EDT I think that's a british thing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlexAtWork	10. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 24 2010, 7:56 PM EDT "I think that's a british thing. " Aww, I keep forgetting. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	11. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 12:06 AM EDT "Simply getting all the way up against his wall would hide you from view of the guards. The wall is high enough and there are no obtuse viewing angles so in order to observe a party that is up against the wall, the guards would have to expose themselves. All they would need from that point is a ladder or a sledgehammer and there goes Tier 1. Why take the chance out of arrogance, when you can have every advantage over them to begin with?" That's when you pour boiling water down the wall :D Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	12. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 8:40 AM EDT "Why not just give the order to kill them?" Because some people take issue with you saying "kill them" when you are stood in front of them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	13. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 8:41 AM EDT "That's when you pour boiling water down the wall :D" That has been mentioned, I may just have to work out a way to do that. The problem is in the energy needed to boil sufficient quantities of water. May have to resort to traditional fires of wood. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	14. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 9:14 AM EDT I don't know how cost effective it would be to keep a pot of boiling whatever ready at all times. You do need to address the wall issue though. It's a pretty significant blind spot. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	15. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 9:37 AM EDT "I don't know how cost effective it would be to keep a pot of boiling whatever ready at all times. You do need to address the wall issue though. It's a pretty significant blind spot. " That's what the second, third, fourth and fifth walls are for. If someone is getting that close, we retreat back to the next wall. The side wall of the tiers can be seen from the top tier, so standing there is not a good move. The walls of the top tier are the most vulnerable to someone getting into the blind spot. That's why they are twenty feet thick at the base. But I will also be using denial of area techniques for the places around the base, most notably, the thorn bushes, tanglefoot, barbed wire you mentioned way back when I first started. They aren't on the pictures, because a) I am only drawing the parts that will be up pre-Z. b) Drawing something as fiddly as that is too time consuming c) My PC would die trying to render all that I doubt I would keep the water boiling constantly. That would use up far too much water and fuel, particularly for such a long length of wall. But <lightbulb starts going PING> since the first tier is going to have animals on it... and they need to drink... have metal troughs along the wall edge that can have firewood placed underneath it. If you see a group coming and they look hostile, you light the wood and heat the water. Sure it's a one-shot weapon, but it has the bonus that it might **** up any ammo, explosives, matches, etc they are carrying as well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RisingTide	16. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 11:01 AM EDT Pedro are you going to have a large kitchen? I ask because old grease could be used in place of water. Haul old used grease to the first wall and when needed heat then pour. Used motor oil could also be used. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	17. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 1:21 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 1:27 PM EDT Grease and oil would need less energy to get to a painful temperature, but I would then need to have a store of oil at the wall. That would be possible. The waste system would need to filter the grease and oil off the top of all greywater and blackwater. If all those were dumped into the same system, then the oil runoff could be collected and held in the base of tier six. I then have the choice of pumping the oil back up to the top of six and carrying it down to wall one manually, or thinking well ahead, having pipes running from tier six to wall one at a height of ten feet. That would be well below ground level of tier one, so nobody will accidentally dig them up. But it will be over head height of the attackers, so they can't run and plug them up. But that is a large engineering task, and the volume of oil needed to fill just one pipe running the length of the base makes it prohibitive. I think the easiest thing is to grow thorny plants along the edge of the wall. Blackberries, roses, holly, thistles, etc. The more I think about it, the more using "defensive landscaping" is the best option. I had got this in the plan, but I had buried it way in the middle. I have highlighted it in the Base page. It is also noted on the Food page. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Hell_raiser101	18. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 1:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 1:51 PM EDT What about this. You make the dark green part, part of your base, and make all the walls into a square shape. You put a wall, at the edge of the dark green, but you slant it and make it connect at the top with the current walls. This would make the base a square shape, however since the walls are slanted, you can see at the bottom of the wall and the enemy can't hide there. You will have to make sure to keep them at enough of an angle that you can see them, though they can't climb up with minimum effort. This also gives you more room to farm, and more room to hold stuff. Not only that, but they have two layers of wall to get through if they try to just blow them down. You can even have many small pipes poking out the top of the outside wall, so if someone even tries to scale it, you can turn it on and cold water or grease, or something will come out. It would take away morale, and make it harder to climb. Also, it would take some work, but you could do a water-less moat around the base. I can draw up a picture of what I am talking about on paint, if I am not making enough sense. It won't be as pretty as the current blue-prints, but it'll work. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	19. RE: Commentary for Pedro Mar 25 2010, 2:25 PM EDT " What about this. You make the dark green part, part of your base, and make all the walls into a square shape. You put a wall, at the edge of the dark green, but you slant it and make it connect at the top with the current walls. This would make the base a square shape, however since the walls are slanted, you can see at the bottom of the wall and the enemy can't hide there. You will have to make sure to keep them at enough of an angle that you can see them, though they can't climb up with minimum effort. This also gives you more room to farm, and more room to hold stuff. Not only that, but they have two layers of wall to get through if they try to just blow them down. You can even have many small pipes poking out the top of the outside wall, so if someone even tries to scale it, you can turn it on and cold water or grease, or something will come out. It would take away morale, and make it harder to climb. Also, it would take some work, but you could do a water-less moat around the base. I can draw up a picture of what I am talking about on paint, if I am not making enough sense. It won't be as pretty as the current blue-prints, but it'll work. " You are going to need to draw this. I am not quite sure what you are saying. I recommend you give Sketchup a try. Once you get over the learning curve it is fantastic to use. Grease is out. The volume needed is just too much. I would need to be deep frying everything for a week just to fill the pipes. Cold water might give them an initial shock, but in the heat of Aruba they will probably be grateful for it because it will stop them overheating. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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