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JPTank	Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 7:56 PM EDT It's been weeks after zday, you and your party of 35 (some women, youngsters) are settled in a pretty decent warehouse that was actually a small shipping/recieving warehouse for canned goods. The place was also very easy to deffend and had a large sign up top that could also be used as a platform. basically was pretty sound as it was. A few minor renovations- home. The downside is that it was obviously raided multiple times prior to you being there and there is less than half of the canned food left. You have lots stored on your own as well (weapons, ammo, batteries, tools, equipment). Two days ago you turned away a slightly smaller group (about 20) looking for food. You didn't have that kind of food to just give up and they did get hostile but the group was turned away without fight. Last night reports are brought to your attention that in upper floors there are noises of walking and moving around where at those times, they are just sectioned off and no one really goes there. You send out a search team who find three kids in the upper floor. Two were in the food storage area and one was in the air vent. Two are boys, ages 16 and 15 and the girl is also 15. They were caught with enough food to last them two weeks. They also have a double barrel and a revolver catalogued in your "armory". They also managed to grab a hatchet, clips, shotgun shells - but also ammo that doesn't even corrospond with those guns (9 mm, 45 calibre, 12 and 20 guages), some knives, batteries, A pair of NV goggles, two flashbangs and a first aid kit taken from upstairs. They also had backpacks they claimed were theirs. Inside were clothes, flashlights, a multi tool, one can of sardines, a chocolate bar, matches and a compass. They also carried a baseball bat and tire iron they claimed were theirs. What do you do and why? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
3DayAsylum	1. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 14 2010, 8:02 PM EDT Well, considering that they were trying to steal our food supply... Beat them, strip them naked, keep their and our stuff, and abandon them somewhere deserted. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	2. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 14 2010, 8:12 PM EDT Capture them and pick their brains. But you keep them with you for menial labour. They aren't slaves. They are working off their crime. They are just kids. BUT you also watch them like hawks...with guns. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TheSecondShooter	3. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:13 PM EDT let them keep what is theirs, and the food. There just kids and we all would have done the same thing in there shoes. make it clear to them that if they are seen again they will be shot and send them on there way Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Freelancer47	4. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:18 PM EDT "Capture them and pick their brains. But you keep them with you for menial labour. They aren't slaves. They are working off their crime. They are just kids. BUT you also watch them like hawks...with guns." +1. Like in another thread: I want to know who they are, how they survived, why they're here, etc... Kids with Guns is a dangerous combination. I would hope they understand that I'm a trained Killer with many other people not far away that are either trained themselves or I have trained. I'd make is ABUNDANTLY clear that I'm not in the mood for games & that they are in a 'No Win' situation. They Could be a Scouting Party, or they could be just a group of kids that don't know J.D. From Jimmy B. I want to know what they were thinking, & I want it now. Shortly after that, I'd have the 'Security Detail' start looking around the 'Compound' to see where they might have entered from. 3 (!!!) people enter my camp. Someone somewhere has failed, and corrections must be made... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
182crazyking	5. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:21 PM EDT Interesting scenario. Assuming they didn't see you looking at them, take your entire group with guns and "breach" that room. They should be sh*tting their pants when suprised, so overpower them (don't kill) and strip them of their gear (they can keep the clothes). Ask them at gunpoint if they belonged to the group you turned down. If they don't cooperate, shoot their foot or something. After that, if you keep aiming a gun at them, they should tell the truth. If they are loners, take their gear, leave them with a tire iron and a bit of food, blind fold them, and take them somewhere remote. Dump them and drive off. Make sure you don't go directly to your base in case you're being watched by the kids. If they belong to the group, tell one to contact the group. He/she should run off and, out of fear, tell them that you have their friends. The smaller group should come calling with their guns. Try to get them to leave you alone. If they accept in return for the hostages, give them the hostages, but take the stuff that belongs to you. If they don't agree to leave you alone, and you've kept trying to convince them that it's suicide attacking, but they still try to break in and kill you, retaliate. Numerical advantage + you know the terrain + you probably have better guns = win. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
3DayAsylum	6. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 8:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 14 2010, 8:28 PM EDT "They're just kids..." I beg to differ. Kids are kids, put simply. The reason they are seen as such is solely due to innocence. Without innocence, and with vile intentions, they are the same as a fully grown adult. And just as dangerous. EDIT: Insertion of final sentence. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MajorDamage	7. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 9:03 PM EDT Terminate with extreme predjudice Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Freelancer47	8. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 9:13 PM EDT "Terminate with extreme prejudice" But what about Humanity? LOLZ. Really Major? I thought you would be the type to interogate? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VagabondVance	9. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 9:21 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 14 2010, 9:27 PM EDT "Really Major? I thought you would be the type to interogate?" Of course he plans on injecting Zed blood to reanimate them for interrogation, then kill them all over again. My response, interrogate, and discern what their intentions are. If just trying to eek out a living offer to let them join, provided they don't carry arms until further down the road. If not, give them back their weapons sans firing pins. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlexHigginbotham	10. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 9:50 PM EDT Considering they stole from the group without approaching us for help, and if it were my choice..... I'd give them 3 options... 1. Join the community, under the condition that they are on hard labor duty for their first year(s) and will be heavily supervised. Basically as close to being jailed as you can pull off. 2. Let them go out into the world without any supplies. 3. Cap them. They will most likely chose #1, rarely #2, and will only say #3 if they decide to be a smartass. Bad part is, if I'm on the trigger and as soon as they blurt out #3, the other 2 won't make the same mistake. Cake or death? Death....I mean cake! Sorry, you said death first, no take backs! Boom Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
3DayAsylum	11. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 14 2010, 11:22 PM EDT You should've said "Pie or die." Because the whole cake thing is a lie. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MajorDamage	12. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 15 2010, 5:53 AM EDT "But what about Humanity? LOLZ. Really Major? I thought you would be the type to interogate?" I'm in weapons training all this week so I'm not really in the mood to chit-chat. Less talk more shoot Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cypher9012	13. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 15 2010, 6:43 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 15 2010, 6:44 AM EDT They are stealing from us and in a time of disaster "Looters Will Be Shot". You put them all in a room together naked, cold and dark, and you drag them out one by one and line them up against a wall and THEN you question them. You ask: Why were you stealing from us? Who sent you? How did you get in? Why take the odd ammunition? etc... Regardless of the answers you get you gag them, put a hood over there head...scream: READY...AIM...FIRE and fire off a few blanks or surplus rounds into the wall, bundle them out and splash the post and ground with blood/fake blood before bringing the next one out and repeating the questioning. You will eventually get the truth from the last and youngest burgler (the girl), and then after you have the whole story decide what to do. If they were stealing for themselves and the odd ammo was to barter or trade later then they are just thieves...kill them, bleed them, take a few select cuts and have Kidburgers for lunch...if they were stealing for someone else then they were still stealing...take them out back and slit their throats and use their corpses as fertilizer for your crops! OR; Open the front doors wide and walk them out in full view of any scouts...shake their hands, hug them, and then give them a large cooler filled with rocks...you then have one of your men secretly follow them and retrieve the cooler as soon as they dump it...because if they have been seen leaving all happy and jolly with a heavy cooler, and they turn up to the Raider camp with a story about getting caught and released without a mark and the cooler was full of rocks but can't be found...they were 'obviously' turned and will probably be killed and eaten by their own people for treachery before they can betray them again. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JPTank	14. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 15 2010, 2:11 PM EDT woah, really good answers here people. As pissed as I would be for these kids breaking in and trying to steal my ****, i'd still have that... respect for them. Hey, they had the gozongas to try, lolz. Gotta give em that much credit! :P They would deffinatly be interrogated one by one, security would be beefed up and i'd re catalogue everything in the inventory to see if anything else was missing. there couldve been more of them... they could have hid stuff. once the place is locked down and we get the story streight, there are 3 options. if they were with the other people... OOOOoOOO!!!! First, i'll show them first hand what those flashbangs do. Then, they are sent out with nothing but their underwear - they will be told that if they show their faces again... you get it. if they were just lost, hungry and didn't even know what the flashbangs were, they have a choice. A) a pat on the back. I'll still show them how the flashbangs work... SOME food, water and batteries, and they get to keep the double barrel and 12 guages they took - for their hard work. B) they can become one with the clan, on the condition that they work a "probation period" which will be slight punnishment for their actions. They will also be under quarentine. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	15. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 16 2010, 5:38 AM EDT Sorry but I'm with 3DayAsylum on this one... They're technically Raiders and you're Being Raided. Regardless of their age they've survived for weeks through the worst stages of the Zombie Apocalypse. And they're either Raiding you, which means they're taking your supplies which is technically 'Attempted Murder' (They take your stuff and your chance of survival goes down) or they're a lead scout group for someone else in which case it's 'Attempted Murder' (They're taking weapons and ammo to be used against you and your group.). You can't simply put a label on them that says "CHILD" and not punish them because of that. At 16+15+15 they are above the age of criminal responsibility and in a working society they could be tried and sentenced as adults...meaning in this world where "Looters Will Be Shot" the penalty would and should be the same as it would be for an adult. And with the severity of the act... Consider the case of Jon Venables and Robert Thompson. At the age of 10 they kidnapped, tortured and murdered a 2 year old in the UK...they admitted that they were PLANNING to abduct a child and lead it to a busy roadside and push it in front of busy traffic...but what they did was MUCH worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger So tell me this...if 10 year olds are capable of this in a working society...why should you go easy on the 16+15+15 year old you found Raiding you post-Z-day? The world has changed remember and it's not the nicest place out there in 'Hobbes Realm'. And if you don't know what 'Hobbes Realm' is...read this: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Welcome+To+The+Wild+Western+World Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VagabondVance	16. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 16 2010, 6:22 AM EDT "They're technically Raiders and you're Being Raided. " Technically, they are looters until they use violence to achieve their means. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MajorDamage	17. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 16 2010, 7:00 AM EDT "Technically, they are looters until they use violence to achieve their means." If 'they' tried that with me then, technically, they would be dead. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
VagabondVance	18. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 16 2010, 7:24 AM EDT "If 'they' tried that with me then, technically, they would be dead. " If they tried that with me, they could end up dinner for some pups. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	19. RE: Robbery scenario. Apr 16 2010, 7:33 AM EDT "If 'they' tried that with me then, technically, they would be dead. " You're seriously not in the mood to deal with the kids are you XD Wanna be my 'Head of Security' post-Z-day? Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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