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timberrattler	You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 6:09 PM EST You've planned, you've prepared, you have a BOB, you have a stocked BOV, you have a BOL, you have ways of defending yourself. One problem, you're on vacation and all of that precious gear is locked snuggly away a thousand miles from where you are now. You took a plane to get where you are. You couldn't get a set of nail clippers through security, let alone a Ka-Bar and a .45. All you have is what you packed for your trip. Not many people ever consider that the panic would strike while they're away from home. If you were in a city far from home and an apocalyptic event occured there is a strong possibility airports could be locked down and you'd be fighting it out to get your hands on a rental car or a firearm with the rest of the un-prepared mob. You'd be in the same position as the typical newbie who just joined the site and has a plan that involves looting and stealing. OK people we're smarter than that I know. I've got five questions for you. 1) What precautions could you take when going on vacation far from home? 2) What would you pack that would be acceptable to airport security? 3) Would you stay where you are or try to make the long journey home across hostile territory? 4) Using "The Panic" as our guide what places would you avoid? 5) How will you manage to get the supplies you need when cash and credit cards slowly become useless? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Receipt	1. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 6:26 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 22 2011, 6:29 PM EST Perhaps a Daily bag is in order. I don't have anything to take with me for a long distance trip. I realize many places I have traveled would have left me for dead if zombies started running around. The last thing you want to be doing is sitting in your own drool and blood, senses numb and eyes watering wishing you would have built a Daily bag. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
VagabondVance	2. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 6:27 PM EST "1) What precautions could you take when going on vacation far from home? 2) What would you pack that would be acceptable to airport security? 3) Would you stay where you are or try to make the long journey home across hostile territory? 4) Using "The Panic" as our guide what places would you avoid? 5) How will you manage to get the supplies you need when cash and credit cards slowly become useless? " 1. Always check reports before heading out of town for a significant amount of time, if you can take something with you. I've heard that firearms can be transported provided they aren't in your carry on. 2. Extra food and water, nothing wrong with the extra preparedness, plus it keeps you being forced to buy expensive food if the S isn't hitting fans. Tarp, sleeping bags and rope. Matches too. I'd personally carry a walking stick, I am a hiker, and I'd have it stowed away in the belly of the ship. 3. With family ideally, and depending on how far away from home it might be worth the return trip. 4. Wal-marts, valuable shops, parks, schools. (A better question would be to ask where would you go instead) IF that was the case Library or Scrapyard. 5. Foraging, from the stuff I've learned about old school houses weren't as hard to build as you think, plus we can improvise with needed thanks to the sheer amount of "junk" we have in society. 4. Wal-marts Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	3. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 6:49 PM EST If driving you have a car BOB. Flying, a little more tricky. I guess it depends on what you are going to do at your destination. Hotel? Self catering? Rented house? You can stock up on food, but given a holiday budget you should really only get as much as you are staying for. Two weeks worth is enough to tide you over most short term disasters. First aid kit? It probably helps to have one wherever you go. If you went somewhere hot lean more towards the rehydration, sun cream and burn cream. Making the journey back? If your holiday location is less densely populated, might you not be better staying there? At least until The Panic is over and you can "borrow" a plane back home. (You are looking at some flying lessons eventually, right?) Places to avoid? Anywhere that you would at home. That includes the airport, this time with all the people who try to head home. As for getting supplies, at the first sign of trouble (and there will be signs. If you know where to look there are always signs) you should be taking all the cash you can off your cards. This is pre-Panic, but in the first three stages. Preferably the second. But really it comes from knowing the region you are going. Rather than just picking the white sandy beach from the brochure, or the hotel with as many stars as you can afford, do some research. What is the structure of the country? The language? The currency? Topography? Any good BOL locations? Remember that whole "Knowledge is Power" thing? Turns out it's true. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
kinelta	4. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 7:18 PM EST 1) Depending on where I were, having extra food on hand. Having a few kids is a good excuse to have extra food available because they are always hungry anyway, and it's cheaper to feed them with our own food. If we needed to re-stock our supplies it might be more of a problem. Water might be an issue after about 36 hours. 2) No weapons obviously. :) I could take a BOB/diaper as a carry-on. But we can't afford to fly. It's more likely we would be driving. In that case, we would have food/ water enough to get us to our planned destination. Gas might be a problem if we were mid-country on a cross-country trip. 3) It would probably be in our best interest to get to our destination asap, but we'd avoid the major cities if possible. Both of our vehicles have GPS, so this might help us avoid those areas. 4) Cities and places where a lot of people congregate, like the local Wal-mart. Sometimes there are small towns and rural areas off of interstate routes. If we needed supplies those areas with less population density might be places to get them, provding they aren't one of the towns where the locals have given up on their local grocery stores and/or gas stations. It would have to be a play-it-by-ear plan. If it's obvious from a distance that the small towns aren't the place to be, we'd have no choice but to keep going. 5) Usually when we vacation we see family members. Depending on which family members we are visiting, this might not be so much of an issue. If we were traveling by car we'd be able to transport our own weapons. A few of my family members live in rural areas and/or small farms, and if we were not visiting those particular relatives, they are still close enough to get to. If I were with a certain set of relatives I'd already be at my planned BOL. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
OutlawJames	5. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 7:31 PM EST "You've planned, you've prepared, you have a BOB, you have a stocked BOV, you have a BOL, you have ways of defending yourself. One problem, you're on vacation and all of that precious gear is locked snuggly away a thousand miles from where you are now. You took a plane to get where you are. You couldn't get a set of nail clippers through security, let alone a Ka-Bar and a .45. All you have is what you packed for your trip. Not many people ever consider that the panic would strike while they're away from home. If you were in a city far from home and an apocalyptic event occured there is a strong possibility airports could be locked down and you'd be fighting it out to get your hands on a rental car or a firearm with the rest of the un-prepared mob. You'd be in the same position as the typical newbie who just joined the site and has a plan that involves looting and stealing. OK people we're smarter than that I know. I've got five questions for you. 1) What precautions could you take when going on vacation far from home? 2) What would you pack that would be acceptable to airport security? 3) Would you stay where you are or try to make the long journey home across hostile territory? 4) Using "The Panic" as our guide what places would you avoid? 5) How will you manage to get the supplies you need when cash and credit cards slowly become useless? " One of the reasons I dont fly anymore....I drive everywhere, If I cant get there by car or truck, I dont go...So I always have my Travel BOB with us. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
2WheeledSpeed	6. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 7:34 PM EST "One of the reasons I dont fly anymore....I drive everywhere, If I cant get there by car or truck, I dont go...So I always have my Travel BOB with us." +1! I HATE what modern air travel has become. Plus, I like roadtrips. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
toxic_shock	7. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 7:49 PM EST 1) Know where you are, where you are going, and how to get back. Have maps. Not battery-reliant GPS. Identify possible "safe spots" in the event of a disaster. Pay attention to surroundings. Basically, do all the things travelers should do when traveling. 2) I haven't flown since before 9/11, and I don't plan on it either. I drive everywhere, and therefore, have supplies and a firearm in my vehicle. Let's say I had to fly somewhere, I would pack a compact bug out bag in my suitcase and check it. Then once I got out of the airport, I would stop at the local wal-mart and pick up a $15 knife to carry with me. Something I won't mind leaving behind when I fly back. Hell, I could always mail it to myself. 3) Start moving toward home as fast as possible, at the earliest sign of trouble. Use aforementioned maps to try to ID a route less traveled. Keep the option open of settling down if a safe location is found and it is evident that things are fecked up on a major level. 4) The same places the Panic describes. This doesn't really change much. 5) Carry extra cash. Cash won't become useless overnight. If leaving town right away, use the cards first, buy extra gas and food, and start heading home. This question is heavily dependent on location. The places I travel these days I doubt I would have too much more trouble than I would if SHTF when I would be at home. Now if I decided to fly out to Vegas, I would spend just as much time planning a SHTF plan as I would spend planning the vacation itself. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
EastCoaster9000	8. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 8:09 PM EST 1) Moniter any suspicious activity. Are there more dissapearences lately? Do you know your vacation layout? 2) Carry-ons can suck, but what about your other luggage that goes in the storage compartments(idk what they're called). You can carry plenty of things on these that wouldn't be allowed with you, but are still permitted to be traveled with. 3) Being in foreign territory is hard. But, if you go to the place often, like a timeshare or something, it gets alot easier. Moving from your current place will be tough. 4) Well, in this case, unless you didn't pack anything, you really do have to go in with the crowds into the places you would normally avoid. But usually you should try smaller stores. 5) Stores. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	9. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 8:50 PM EST For example, at the end of March I will be spending a weekend diving in Hurghada. Egypt recently had a few "issues". However, things have stablised somewhat. The currency is the Egyptian Pound. 100 CHF is about 625 EGP. Hurghada is on the coast, with the airport just outside town. There are mountains to the West which could provide refuge for a few days, but supplies are needed. Means of escape to the mountains are either jeep or camel (seriously). To the north and south are smaller villages. Access by road. Lastly, there are a multitude of boats, some equipped with desalinators and long range fuel tanks (commonly referred to as liveaboards). Cashpoints are everywhere. Goods are stupefyingly cheap. A Big Mac costs $1.50. You can buy a whole cooked chicken and a large portion of rice for $0.85. As apocalypse preparation goes, that part will be simple. Getting out again is the hard part. But as I said, plane or boat. I can handle both, though would rather have an expert doing it. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
theghostnthedarkness	10. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 9:56 PM EST i dont fly anywhere anymore because my gun never leaves my hip so i drive everywhere. im not much for travel but i have to go about 3 1/2 hours away tomarrow to see the doctor who will perform my surgury this summer. i will have two handguns and knives on my person as a i always do but i will also have my get home bag in the trunk and a shotgun with some extra ammo for good measure. my rule of thumb is if i cant walk home from where im going in one day then i take my bag and maybe a long gun with me. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Abu_Fulan	11. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 11:03 PM EST "my rule of thumb is if i cant walk home from where im going in one day then i take my bag and maybe a long gun with me." Wow. That's my new rule of thumb. You can bring a firearm on vacation. You just have to transport it unloaded in a locked case and check the case. It's not difficult. Check destination to make sure the state recognizes your state's HCP and you're good to go. If I'm on vacation during a catastrophe I'm not going home. I vacation in the vicinity of friends/family and note key locations before leaving home. Maybe no one else takes all those RVE's people have posted seriously, but if I'm in your neck of the wooods on Z-day and can't get to my primary location you can bet I'll show up at your rally point with "ZSDW" written on my shirt in big letters. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GSh-18	12. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 22 2011, 11:55 PM EST I always carry my best weapon with me, my brain. I would of course avoid places that will be crowded by mobs. I would expect all the firearms to be looted within the first 4-5 days maybe? I'll use the chaos of the first day to get out of the city. Then it really depends on where I am and what resources I have at my disposal. I really don't expect having to fight unless I have to. If I'm in a forest I'll probably sleep in a tree so I won't get caught. I don't really travel a lot anyways. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JunkCollector	13. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 23 2011, 12:09 AM EST 1) What precautions could you take when going on vacation far from home? I never fly (YES, I'M CHICKEN **** TO DO SO!). When I travel in MI I have a CCW, and carry a gun or two. When I go out of MI, I have a tire thumper and crowbar in my tool box. 2) What would you pack that would be acceptable to airport security? DON'T FLY BAWK, BAWK, BAWK. 3) Would you stay where you are or try to make the long journey home across hostile territory? I would try to stay put for the short time and then try to work my way home. 4) Using "The Panic" as our guide what places would you avoid? Highly populated shopping centers, and areas. 5) How will you manage to get the supplies you need when cash and credit cards slowly become useless? First buy as much as possible, starting with a shot gun and plenty of shells. Second buy as much food, water, and gas as possible. Third find a decent BOL and or group. Fourth travel back to my gear, unless things going good. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
John_234	14. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 2:25 AM EST 1) I always have a vehicle kit and a rudimentary EDC. The SAS mini kit, and the basics that aren't easy to improvise: -Water Bottle -Mess kit -Knife -Lighter + Flint 2) Water bottles, metal tins all work fine in carry-ons. Knives too, if they're in secure luggage. Lighters, pocket knives can be bought at most gas stations immediately after arriving. Truth be told, if disaster strikes at the airport, I'm likely dead, but a lighter, pen knife and such won't help me in that kind of wretched situation very much anyway. 3) It depends. If I were with my family, for example, I'd have little reason to go back until things have died down a little. Otherwise, even a phone call home could be very important. 4) The hotspots and service areas. Hopefully, when I vacation I research spots where I go - to have alternatives if stuff goes bad. I should know what is decent refuge, where to find weapons and food. Luck will have to fill the gaps in that. 5) I'd pretty much max my credit card on basic goods when stuff starts to go bad. I'd probably find the first liqour store I could and raid it for booze, and cigarettes. Huge one there; easy to carry, commonly in demand and retains value. If I was lucky, pharmaceuticals would also be an effective trade tool. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Filadog	15. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 9:08 AM EST I keep at all times a pretty extensive Get home Bag in my car trunk, contains food, water, shelter and other survival items etc.. Also has a .22 pistol and 100 Rds in it. Besides this I keep a Mossberg riot shotgun and 50 rds of ammo in the trunk, thinking about putting my AR7 back in Also a gas mask, more bottled water, boots, coat, rain coat, blanket and an Axe and machete. Tool kit of course Again this stays in my car and I am rarely very far from it I don't think it makes much sense to have a BOB at your house and not in your car since you are probably just as likely to need it when you are not home as you will when you are home. Of course when I'm home so is my car Few years ago I flew out to Denver to help this girl move to NYC, we rented a truck and drove cross country What I did was mail a pistol [WWII S&W .38] and my carry knife out to her and then bought a box of ammo out there that way had a weapon for trip. From NYC I took a train, which they don't check you, back to Baltimore I packed a small survival kit with extra food in my pack that I carried on the plane and took a good bit of cash Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
brandon_a_boyer	16. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 2:25 PM EST You can fly with firearms and knives, they just need to be checked. You also need to make sure you comply with the laws of both the state you are flying from, and the state you are flying to. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
2WheeledSpeed	17. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 5:24 PM EST "You can fly with firearms and knives, they just need to be checked. You also need to make sure you comply with the laws of both the state you are flying from, and the state you are flying to." That's true, but I don't want even a cheap firearm lost or even worse, stolen. I don't trust airport employees. Apparently the Israeli PMs bodyguards had several Glocks stolen from them at a US airport... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
brandon_a_boyer	18. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 6:54 PM EST It's really all about how you pack it. The case should be locked with a non-tsa lock, then cable locking that case to the inside of a suitcase and under no circumstances do you allow them to mark the suitcase as containing a gun, it is illegal for them to do so. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	19. RE: You can't schedule an apocalypse. Got questions, need answers. Feb 24 2011, 7:53 PM EST Lots of good information, ideas and advice. We've got some inventive, knowledgeable folks here. Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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