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JPTank	Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 2:30 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 2:30 PM EDT Here's a scenario that I think might actually be a serrious issue in an apoc. You're searching an abandoned house for supplies when you hear a baby crying just up the stairs. You go to investigate and find a baby laying in a crib with the door closed to the room. Itvwas clearly left there, or the parents didn't make it; for whatever reason it's there. Kids not infected, but clearly hungry and in need of a diaper change. What do you do? There are cons; -noise, -it can't walk let alone hold a gun. - babies need extra supplies. If there's anyone here with little youngsters, it would be interesting to hear how you are already taking care of that. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
Sharpie41	1. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 2:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 2:40 PM EDT Take the kid, either find a woman who is willing to care for it or care for it yourself. Obviously change it initially then try to find formula and milk. Then do the best you can to help it survive Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	2. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 2:51 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 2:51 PM EDT Pretty much Sharpie. Yeah I suppose the cons will outweigh the pros (initially) but I doubt many people will be able to just leave the kid. However I would definitly want to sweep the area for any sign of occupation. The kid could not have been there for very long. I would be VERY aware of the surrounding area since there is a chance the baby could be a trap. But ultimately I would take it. This is a case where good must overrule right. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	3. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 3:05 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 3:05 PM EDT I'd take it, and probably drop it at the first settlement I could. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JunkCollector	4. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 3:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 3:09 PM EDT NOT IT!!!!!!! One could take the baby, care for it, and when a flock of zombies are chasing after one could toss the kid down and while it cries and attracts the zombies escape. Seriously; I would take and care for the kid, raise it and install a mentality so it will help me when I am older and can't get around very easily. Plus one would be accepted into a strange group if caring for a child. Giving one more resources and relationships. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ThaDard	5. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 3:58 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 3:58 PM EDT As a person who has a child I can safely say that I know how much of a burden one would be in that scenario. I think people underestimate the amount of noise a hungry baby makes, and how much attention that would bring. Unless you are already in an established, and well functioning group I think taking the baby would guarantee either you, the baby, or both of you end up dead. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sharpie41	6. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 4:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 4:09 PM EDT "As a person who has a child I can safely say that I know how much of a burden one would be in that scenario. I think people underestimate the amount of noise a hungry baby makes, and how much attention that would bring. Unless you are already in an established, and well functioning group I think taking the baby would guarantee either you, the baby, or both of you end up dead." You've gotta at least give the kid a shot at survival, I'll take my chances with the undead any day before I leave a baby to die Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ThaDard	7. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 4:16 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 4:16 PM EDT "You've gotta at least give the kid a shot at survival, I'll take my chances with the undead any day before I leave a baby to die" I WANT to give the child a shot at survival, and I didn't really say whether I would or wouldn't but I honestly know in my heart that would help the child if I were in that situation. It's just that when I think about it I know a baby is much more work than feeding and changing so you put ourself at a disadvantage when you take one on. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Whybother08	8. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 4:26 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 4:26 PM EDT Unless there is something absolutely preventing me from doing so, take care of him/her. I think I said the opposite a while back when Kinelta was still around. And not just because of utilitarian perks in the future, or for sympathy from other groups, it's simply the right thing to do. Morality is what makes you different from the [criminal] scum of an apocalyptic world. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chitoryu12	9. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 5:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 5:18 PM EDT Eat it. Post reply 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
JPTank	10. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 6:08 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 6:08 PM EDT That's the struggle. Would one be a good person for taking it, or alive for leaving it? I'd probably wait around to see if it still belongs to anybody but would probably end up taking it with me and caring for it. It might even be a morale booster and live me a better reason to stay alive, since it wouldn't just be about me. Then when he's 12 he'll turn into a little Rambo :P Post reply Do you find this valuable?
humanroach	11. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 6:16 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 6:16 PM EDT This one hits home with me. When I read this I had to look over at my 6 M.O. baby girl and wonder how I or my wife together could manage to survive with her. But there wouldnt be any reason to survive without her so we would be forced to find a way or die. if i was thrown into your scenario, with or without my daughter, i would have to take the baby. i would risk life and limb to see that he makes it to healthy adulthood. I couldnt live with myself leaving a helpless innocent baby at the mercy of zombies,hunger, disease,cold,lovelessness. i think for any good person, the choice is simple, save the baby or die trying. you are the largest sack of sht with a piece of skin stretched over it that has ever walked the earth if you leave the baby to die. but all that being said, i would take great caution to investigate the baby at first because it could be a trap by a bigger sack of sht using a baby as bait Post reply Do you find this valuable?
herbsandivy	12. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 6:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 6:34 PM EDT Take the kid after establishing it isn't a trap and no one is coming back for it. Check the pantry for formula. Grab some sheets and plastic grocery bags to turn into "water"proof diapers. Do my best to keep the infant alive. I would imagine it'll be tough, though, as formula is gonna be one of the first things to go In the Panic. Shelf-life is crap, too. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Oakspar77777	13. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 8:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 8:18 PM EDT Of course you take the baby, as survival has no purpose if you are only perserving yourself and not the species. Being the last human alive is a tragedy - being a savior of humanity is a calling. The home that it is in is going to be the best place to find formula (as even families who breastfeed will sometimes keep a can around). Of course, you can wean a baby at ridiculously young ages - just prechew and spit up the food (your saliva will help the kid digest stuff). Not great for the kid, but neither is starving. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ZeMatch	14. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 8:20 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 8:20 PM EDT You know, I have a thought. Having to care for the child might actually make you a better survivor. You might have more focus and more drive than you had before. Yeah, your resources may be stretched more, but you'll probably be more likely to search harder than you would otherwise. Plus, when you fight, you may become a more focused fighter since you'll be protecting someone who is completely defenseless. Of course, to those who are parents this is not news. Again, just a thought. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sharpie41	15. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 9:03 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:03 PM EDT "I WANT to give the child a shot at survival, and I didn't really say whether I would or wouldn't but I honestly know in my heart that would help the child if I were in that situation. It's just that when I think about it I know a baby is much more work than feeding and changing so you put ourself at a disadvantage when you take one on." For me it wouldn't be a want when I am able to, if I can get to it and I can feed it, it is coming with me Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
kinelta	16. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 9:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:12 PM EDT I'd take the baby of course. I'm still a nursing mom (at this point) and would be able to feed the baby. AS far as supplies, there really wouldn't be very many extras that would be needed. A way to carry the baby and how to feed it if I weren't nursing would be my main concerns, that from experience would be relatively easy to remedy. Anything will work for diapers, including old plastic grocery bags. Diaperless would also be an option. Milk of some sort, if I weren't nursing. Formula as a first choice obviously, then canned condensed milk or powdered milk, supplemented with food that's been at least pre-chewed if needed. A baby can be tied to the body using any piece of material that was long enough, like a sheet for instance. Babies are noisy. I've read that Native American mothers used to train their babies to be quiet. I really meant to try it with my latest baby, but I could never bring myself to pacify a baby except by the boob, only because it was easiest, and I'm lazy by nature. I'm proud of how far Whybother has come these past couple of years. :) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ThaDard	17. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 9:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:32 PM EDT So how to you go about foraging now? With an alarm like a baby strapped to your chest, along with your pack and whatever primary firearm you have (assuming rifle or shotgun) and a secondary weapon? Like I said, in an established community it should be only a slight inconvenience, but if you're alone or in a very small group you're putting yourself at a terrible disadvantage. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	18. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 10:28 PM EDT "So how to you go about foraging now? With an alarm like a baby strapped to your chest, along with your pack and whatever primary firearm you have (assuming rifle or shotgun) and a secondary weapon? Like I said, in an established community it should be only a slight inconvenience, but if you're alone or in a very small group you're putting yourself at a terrible disadvantage." I would consider anyone who would leave a baby to die an absolute prick. I can't even fathom how anyone could leave a baby to die. Hide the kid if you can Post reply Do you find this valuable?
renet76	19. RE: Baby in a basket scenario. Oct 1 2011, 11:23 PM EDT You may of just walked into a case of exposure It still happens today and has been practiced from the stone ages right up until now The same reason's that you have to think of what will happen if you take it with you are the reasons its parents took the path of exposure rather then outright infanticide While we like to think of ourselves as the lovely moral beings History tells us that when it boils down to living or dieing humans will do what ever is required That act of banishing and exposure was a common practice during hard times such as droughts or sever winters. A mother nursing a child during those times was at risk of dieing herself so they would lose 2 people the mother and child The elders or the father would often take the child and expose it rather then losing the mother as well. Also any one that was old , ill or for any reason was seen as a burden on the tribe , group , village would be banished to what ever their fate would be. The old act of exposure for a child the parents would put the child in a clay jar , basket or crib and leave it some where and never return. The thought was 1 of 3 things would happen a person who could and was able to care for the child would find it or it would die from exposure to the elements or sadly a wild animal would attack it and kill it. What ever the out come they were at peace with the fact that they just saved the lives of their group, tribe or villages and had given the child more of a chance then outright killing it. To us it seems cruel and barbaric but we never lived in those times so we have no idea how far we would really go to save our own lives i think the real question is how much value do you put on the lives of your own wife and children over the life of some one you have no attachment to other then a sense of morality. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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