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SGTGerman	Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 5:41 PM EST ...here's how it works. I'm a military man, and a strong believer in Nationalism. So here are the changes I would make, followed by how I would address the key issues. Power and Control. The Militia: As we all know, the armed forces is a vital part of nationalism. It intends to strip us of individuality and makes us uniform, the same. It also encourages discipline, pride in one's self and his/her nation. Therefore the Militia plays a vital part in my society. It is already capable of taking on zeds, but with my training it will be able to take on raiders far better with effective infantry tactics. A uniform will also be introduced, even if it is an arm band with "Miltia" on it. Foot drill, a national anthem and other typical army features will be included. It will also be compulsory. This is not ideal in my society based on earning citizenship, a different topic but due to limited numbers there will be conscription. Please ask more on the subject.... The Council: I agree that there should be a council and even more so that the people are represented on it. However as the society grows, the council IMO should include "ministers" such as "The Minister of Engineering, Farming" etc, not just my family however their support will be vital in the early stages. Unfortunatley there will be no elections to remove me, as martial law will be in effect. Once we are secure normal elections can take place. The Police: Voluntry and I agree with the status. It can act and has powers like normal police forces. Undergo "simple" military training. This should be expanded to meet demands of the population growth. The can also work with the Militia for etc man power. Please ask more on this subject.... Post reply 6 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
SGTGerman	1. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 5:50 PM EST The Maintanence Team: It is important to note that these people are vital members of society and not "losers" as it is suggested. When they are not working they will carry out part time military training. Uniform included. The Farmers: From the knowledge I have, the harvest season is where maximum manpower is required. Therefore a quarter or even a third (maybe half even if my theory is correct) will be deligated to the wood sector. This is a valuable industry for construction, land clearence and trade. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	2. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 6:03 PM EST Teritry Sector: The healthcare would be nationalised however I'm concerned that the doctors would simply leave for elsewhere should we take power. Forcing them to work would not be good either. Therefore until the society begins to flourish it will remain private but all costs paid by the government. Food: Rationing would exist and be strict but like the the Second World War EVERYONE regardless of rank or position would receive the same amount. Certain times such as Christmas, national holidays or summer the rationing can be relaxed. Education: Weapon handling, foot drill, national pride and discipline will be added to standard education. Reading, writing and maths will also include. Should they want etc then they can pay for it until, again, the society is stronger. Currency: This is very important, and as a Nationalist I support small businesses. Due to the nature of the world we live in, the gap between rich and power would be very narrow i.e. wages would be very simular. Problem is I'm not an economist so I can't really give you an accurate idea on the value of it. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	3. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 6:20 PM EST Factions and Diplomacy The Raiders: A better trained Militia will conduct patrols and ambushes. Raiders are to be shot on site or enslaved. They will be the butt of all jokes and do jobs such as cleaning out latreens etc. The drug dealers: Drugs, other than those for pain relief like morphine etc will be banned/outlawed/illegal. We can not afford any amount of the population to be hooked on drugs. The worst thought is the vote influenced by how it will effect the drug gangs for instance, "We should ally with these people" (who happen to be at war with the drug dealers. Non dealers means no drugs which equals a vote against the alliance despite it being for the best.) Bayside Springs/Raven's Peak: Important allies. Springs contains fish and meat, important part of a healthy diet. Maybe we could buy animals from them and begin our own supply. Raven's Peak is another ally. There impressive weapon is important tool against the New Dawn Federation. New Dawn Federation: Flash backs of the EU... A definite threat. Whether military action or dirty tricks, they are a direct threat to our sovereingty. Welcome diplimats with open arms but all talks of "union" must be resisted. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	4. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 6:42 PM EST The key points 1) Find out what it is. 2) Yes. It must be in their interests to destroy the raiders and to be quite Frank, if they win we have no raiders. If they lose, both of weakened and less of a threat. No raiders will also mean safer and more trade between us. Rather concerned with their relationship with the Federation. 3) Yes if we can encourage Raven's Spring to help with it. 500 zeds is a lot and will require a lot of resources. But it will hopefully be a large step forward to an alliance with Bayside. 4) Due to the different laws and regs, I'm not sure this would happen and if so, in a smaller scale. If so, hault all their rations, and treat them like any other deomonstrators should be - if they turn violent, be violent. Hopefully this will encourage them to go back to work. Those who were not violent can be pardened. If it gets out of hand however i.e. an "IRA" is formed, appropiate action will be taken including enslavement. 5) The farmers will not be under threat if Raven's Spring take the raiders out. As for the others, a currency will be introduced and trade will be revised. 6) Convince Raven's Spring the Federation is dangerous and expansionist. Etc food from Bayside can also compensate for an increase in trade. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	5. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 8:07 PM EST First off, damn good report SGTGerman! You've put in a phenomenal amount of work into your response. I'll pose a sub scenario for you: Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	6. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 8:27 PM EST Sub-scenario: The Council Crisis Good idea to create a bureaucracy in the council! The idea of ministers is excellent! Alright here is another wee scenario for you! You have expanded the council and brought in more elected positions. All elected positions are shown with an (e) after their name. You have increased the council from 2/7 elected to 4/9 elected and may intend to increase this in future. The temporary posts are only there for 6 months, after this time the temporary ministers resign. Currently each Council Minister now has a job: You are the Prime Minister. Minister for Finance Minister for Trade (e) (Temporary post to complete trade with Raven's Peak and Bayside Springs) Minister for Agriculture/Farming (e) Minister for Defence Minister for Education (e) Minister for Engineering (e) Minister for Healthcare (Temporary post to reform the healthcare system) Minister for Policing and Security (The newest post) The two elected councillors who used to vote against everything now hold the posts of Minister for Education and Minister for Agriculture. This councillor is still disgruntled at the lack of democracy, however following reforms he has begun to vote in favour of some legislation and is willing to do his job properly. However, the Minister for Agriculture cannot shake off his role as an opposition councillor and continually blocks reforms to his department, stirs up the farmers to strike and often fails to do his job. Unfortunately the people have begun viewing him as a maverick and it is suggested between 40% and 55% of the population support him. It could be political suicide on your part getting rid of him. The food crisis has largely been solved thanks to trade with Raven's Peak and Bayside Springs. Prices of food have risen by an average of 10%, but there is now a wider range of foods available, so people do not seem to mind. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	7. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 8:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 14 2011, 8:35 PM EST The attack on a camp of raiders proved successful. Losses were confirmed at 3 for Raven's peak, 4 dead and 7 for your City and 14 killed and six captured for the Raiders. You managed to steal a multitude of cars, weaponry and ammunition before razing the camp to the ground. In addition you rescued several women held hostage. The results of the conflict are as follows: -Trade is now safer along the route between Raven's Peak and your City. -The freeing of women made you popular, however as you put the raiders to slave work it has given ammunition to your critics in the Preoccupy Movement who accuse you of double standards. -You now have a fleet of trucks which can transport goods effectively. Following the halting of rations two members of the Preoccupy Movement have gone on a hunger strike. Raven's Peak have agreed to allow you to use their forge to smelt new coins for your nation. The new currency has had trouble taking off. The switch-over period proved difficult. During the changing of currency you discovered two maintenance men guilty of fraud by printing their own tokens and forging signatures of authenticity. Public confidence in the currency has been shattered. There is a petition of fifty names circulating for a change to a barter economy. Raven's Peak are also establishing their own currency in response to this. They want to know if you would agree to use the same composition of metal so the exchange rate will remain 1 for 1? The New Dawn Federation and ITU traditionally never get on, but both have announced suspicion at the new currency and called it a ruthless murder of the successful bartering system. Raven's Spring is willing to negotiate an alliance against the New Dawn Federation. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Marsden	8. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 8:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 14 2011, 8:36 PM EST Issues in short: 1.)Obstructing Councillor holding back Agriculture. 2.)Preoccupy Movement gaining momentum. Not yet violent and may not turn violent. 3.)Two men found guilty of token fraud in the old currency which has shaken public faith in the new currency. 4.)New Dawn Federation (NDF) and Independent Trader's Union (ITU) suspicion and criticism of your currency. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DEVILDOGMP	9. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 8:36 PM EST " It will also be compulsory. This is not ideal in my society based on earning citizenship " I read this part and immediately thought: Robert Heinlein Brownie points for whoever figures out why. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	10. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 9:15 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 14 2011, 9:17 PM EST "I read this part and immediately thought: Robert Heinlein Brownie points for whoever figures out why." He authored Starship Troopers which had similar concepts in place. "Service Guarantees Citizenship!" Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DEVILDOGMP	11. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 14 2011, 11:57 PM EST "He authored Starship Troopers which had similar concepts in place. "Service Guarantees Citizenship!"" Brownie Points awarded to Carnack, comment comming your way in a couple minutes. good job! i didnt think anyone would think of the book over the movie. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	12. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 4:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 15 2011, 5:03 AM EST "Brownie Points awarded to Carnack, comment comming your way in a couple minutes. good job! i didnt think anyone would think of the book over the movie." Spot on DDMP! Carnack has probably seen my idea before quite a few times. People think they are born with "rights and freedom". They think it's their human rights. Well I don't think it is. If you want to have a say, you serve first. If our politicians had served on the frontlines they wouldn't be sending us there with radios that don't work. If they had lost a limb or their minds they wouldn't except our soldier's PAYING ridiculas rates to watch tv in hospital when criminal scum get it for free. Same for police, fire service, NHS etc. I won't answer in full atn this time but maybe later I can start a thread explaining in much greater detail. I want to know what people think - I hope it an improvement on my original idea (Carnack is probably well aware of that as well ;) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	13. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 5:21 AM EST "Issues in short: 1.)Obstructing Councillor holding back Agriculture. 2.)Preoccupy Movement gaining momentum. Not yet violent and may not turn violent. 3.)Two men found guilty of token fraud in the old currency which has shaken public faith in the new currency. 4.)New Dawn Federation (NDF) and Independent Trader's Union (ITU) suspicion and criticism of your currency." 1) Find out why he is so popular. What is is about the reforms they do not like? 2) Begin talks. What do they want? Let the two starve if they so wish. We can not be bullied by this. 3) 6 month hard labour. The new coins being forged will be difficult to forge, hopefully this will bring in faith. 4) Annoying the NDF would be like pissing the Ruskies of at the height of the Cold War. I want to invite them into the currency and if the "barter system" is what I think it, it wont be affected. We can still trade resources for another resource. As for the double standards, the term "enslavement" is my term for hard labour. I use it instead of the latter because their release will depend on cirrumstances and not automatic like hard labour would be. It also shows that lack of rights having been enemies of the state. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	14. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 6:11 AM EST "Carnack has probably seen my idea before quite a few times. People think they are born with "rights and freedom". They think it's their human rights. Well I don't think it is." Feel free to dismiss this if irrelevant Sarge,but I recommend reading ; Plato's Republic and the Iron Heel by Jack London. Or if you don't have the time for that try the dictionary definitions of 'Rights' and 'Privilege'. . . _ Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	15. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 6:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 15 2011, 7:09 AM EST "Feel free to dismiss this if irrelevant Sarge,but I recommend reading ; Plato's Republic and the Iron Heel by Jack London. Or if you don't have the time for that try the dictionary definitions of 'Rights' and 'Privilege'. . . _" Are you implying I intend to create a state based on Tyranny? I tell you that if I created a "manifesto" you would see what my real aims would be. When I stated the words you quote, I was being blunt and not technical. Civilians have basic freedoms, basic rights but not full freedoms such as the right to vote or full rights such as the right to be a politician. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	16. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 7:21 AM EST "Spot on DDMP! Carnack has probably seen my idea before quite a few times. People think they are born with "rights and freedom". They think it's their human rights. Well I don't think it is. If you want to have a say, you serve first. If our politicians had served on the frontlines they wouldn't be sending us there with radios that don't work. If they had lost a limb or their minds they wouldn't except our soldier's PAYING ridiculas rates to watch tv in hospital when criminal scum get it for free. Same for police, fire service, NHS etc. I won't answer in full atn this time but maybe later I can start a thread explaining in much greater detail. I want to know what people think - I hope it an improvement on my original idea (Carnack is probably well aware of that as well ;)" "Hey Bob, I heard of this great colony that's coming around. Organized, lively and all that. A full government and a standing army. Got a democratic system and voting and all that." "Interesting. What's the requirement to become a member?" "Serve in the military." "... serve someone I don't know to vote?" "Uh..." "Yeah. No. There's other places to find." I don't think anybody who would make an intelligent politician or leader would really sign themselves on for some random military service just for the possibility of being able to vote and slightly influence this organization they're not obligated to join. Keeping in mind this also puts elderly, physically handicapped and those with busy occupations (you think a surgeon has time to soldier?) out of any possibility of having their rights, I don't think it'll work too well. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SGTGerman	17. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 7:48 AM EST ""Hey Bob, I heard of this great colony that's coming around. Organized, lively and all that. A full government and a standing army. Got a democratic system and voting and all that." "Interesting. What's the requirement to become a member?" "Serve in the military." "... serve someone I don't know to vote?" "Uh..." "Yeah. No. There's other places to find." I don't think anybody who would make an intelligent politician or leader would really sign themselves on for some random military service just for the possibility of being able to vote and slightly influence this organization they're not obligated to join. Keeping in mind this also puts elderly, physically handicapped and those with busy occupations (you think a surgeon has time to soldier?) out of any possibility of having their rights, I don't think it'll work too well." Again, you obviously don't understand the full story. The society is split. Civilians and Citizens. Citizens are those who have served their nation, whether that is armed forces, police, health etc. Civilians are those who haven't. They are still protected by law etc but they can't vote and can't be a politician. They can still work etc. I haven't put this into action full pelt due to the nature on the scenario. In the right conditions the society would be run differently. Standby for The SGTGerman National Party Manifesto". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	18. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 7:49 AM EST "Keeping in mind this also puts elderly, physically handicapped and those with busy occupations (you think a surgeon has time to soldier?) out of any possibility of having their rights, I don't think it'll work too well." BINGO! And I wasn't suggesting that you intended to create a state based on Tyranny. I only suggest the problems or weaknesses with some aspects of your idea would leave your 'state' extremely vulnerable to becoming one. _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SGTGerman	19. RE: Welcome to SGTGermanville.... Dec 15 2011, 7:54 AM EST "BINGO! And I wasn't suggesting that you intended to create a state based on Tyranny. I only suggest the problems or weaknesses with some aspects of your idea would leave your 'state' extremely vulnerable to becoming one. _" This is answered in my reply. Military service is not the only way of serving. Working in health as a doctor say or and various other services will grant you citizenship. Anyhting else? I'm really glad people are taking notice of it! ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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